Day 167 - 02 Oct 95 - Page 09

     
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     2   Q.   Can you just say what the differences is between the two
     3        posts?
     4        A.  Right.
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     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I assume the university is part of the
     7        training of McDonald's.  There are lots of other training
     8        goes on, quite apart from Hamburger University, and you
     9        were made head of the whole show, is that right?
    10        A.  It is the difference between National Training Manager
    11        for the whole of the UK and, as the judge rightly points
    12        out, Hamburger University is part of that.
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    14   MS. STEEL:   Right.  So you would still be in charge of the
    15        whole of Hamburger University but also of all the training
    16        around the country?
    17        A.  That is right.
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    19   Q.   Of the courses that are referred to in the management
    20        development programme, which of those would you have
         personally taken yourself, or was it all of them?
    22        A.  At some stage I have taught on most of the courses but,
    23        as Chief Training Officer, I taught on perhaps the AOC and
    24        the Supervisors course.
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    26   Q.   You would, presumably, be familiar with all the contents of
    27        all the courses though anyway?
    28        A.  I was aware of what was taught on it, not in the very
    29        detail of it because I had assistants who were responsible
    30        for those particular courses and for developing them, but
    31        we had discussions about them, certainly.
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    33   Q.   So, being a Chief Training Officer, would that also
    34        include, I think there are some schemes in schools where
    35        you get children to set up pretend McDonald's and get them
    36        to run a pretend McDonald's' does that include that?
    37        A.  It did not at the time.  One of my later
    38        responsibilities was education in which we developed links
    39        with schools.  I am not aware that we set up any pretend
    40        McDonald's but we do many educational visits and insights
         into industry.
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    43   Q.   Would that involve the children in role playing, things
    44        like that?
    45        A.  No, not necessarily.
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    47   Q.   But it could do -- it has done?
    48        A.  No, I have not seen it.  I am not aware of it.
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    50   MR. RAMPTON:  I would be obliged to be told, my Lord, where this 
    51        allegation comes from.  I am not aware it is in the 
    52        pleadings or in any of the witnesses' statements.  Is it 
    53        part of their case?
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    55   MS. STEEL:   Obviously, one of the spin-offs to that is the
    56        children would become much more aware of the Company.
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    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What are you talking about now?  You asked
    59        the question about pretend McDonald's as if it were a fact
    60        and -----