Day 160 - 21 Jul 95 - Page 05
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2 THE WITNESS: Yes.
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4 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What I will do is I will adjourn on that
5 basis. If what you have to do concerning the Court of
6 Appeal is finished by 1 o'clock, then we will resume at
7 2.00, or as soon as thereafter as we can, to carry on with
8 Mrs. Farrer's evidence.
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10 MR. MORRIS: Yes.
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12 MR. JUSTICE BELL: If you are running into the afternoon, then
13 we will call it a day. Is there any difficulty with that
14 so far as you are concerned?
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16 MR. MORRIS: No. We will do what we have to do, basically.
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18 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, I do not think that is unreasonable.
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20 MR. MORRIS: But one thing concerns me is that the Plaintiffs
21 seem to know more about our application for leave to appeal
22 than we do. As far as I am concerned, it is absolutely
23 none of their business. I do not know; they seem to know
24 more than I know.
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26 MR. RAMPTON: In what way? I do not understand that.
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28 MR. MORRIS: It is our application.
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30 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes.
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32 MR. MORRIS: It is our ex parte application.
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34 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I am not aware that Mr. Rampton knows
35 anything about it.
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37 MR. MORRIS: He said about three things that I do not know about
38 the appeal, about the judge, what the intention of the
39 judges are regarding hearing our application.
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41 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No, that is just normal practice.
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43 MR. RAMPTON: That is what the Court of Appeal -- there is no
44 secret about this. The Court of Appeal rang my Chambers
45 and gave me this information that I have given your
46 Lordship, which your Lordship already knows anyway.
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48 MR. JUSTICE BELL: All Mr. Rampton has said is that if the Court
49 of Appeal, on an application for leave to appeal, grants
50 leave, they sometimes go straight on then actually to hear
51 the appeal. I am not suggesting for a moment they would do
52 in your case. It is a two judge court and they might say
53 it is a three judge court matter, if leave is granted.
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55 MR. MORRIS: We only got the ruling yesterday afternoon, and we
56 were in court. We could hardly have prepared -----
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58 MR. JUSTICE BELL: The only thing I am asking you about is why
59 you have said that Mr. Rampton is -----
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