Day 159 - 20 Jul 95 - Page 06

     
     1        issue; it refers to tropical forests.
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     3   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You say that means rain forest?  That is what
     4        you were arguing yesterday.  It is synonymous with
     5        rain forest.
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     7   MR. MORRIS:  Tropical forest and rain forest, there is no clear
     8        demarcation.  My reasonable belief, based upon discussions
     9        with our expert and the discussion I had this morning, is
    10        that the Mato Grosso includes areas which could be defined
    11        specifically as rain forest, but the area of concern which
    12        our witnesses are concerned with, and including Mr. Shane
    13        in his map -- if you want to check it later or you could
    14        check it now if you want to, his map on page 5 of his book
    15         -- defines the area of concern of tropical forest, which
    16        all his evidence is based on, as being the whole Amazon
    17        region.  We did look at it yesterday.
    18
    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I must say I do think you have gone a bit off
    20        the track now because you spent quite a lot of time
         yesterday succeeding in convincing me that when Mr. Shane
    22        used the word "tropical forest" it was the same as
    23        "rain forest".  I had understood the whole of your Brazil
    24        amendment 1 to be referable to rain forest.  Now we seem to
    25        be bringing in something which might or might not come
    26        under the general forest recycling and waste aspect with
    27        regard to cerrado forest.  No-one suggested any of the
    28        cerrado forest is used for paper making.
    29
    30   MR. MORRIS:  No, the whole recycling waste issue is absolutely
    31        nothing to do with Brazil whatsoever, but the area of
    32        concern -----
    33
    34   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is the only way non-rain forest forest
    35        comes in, does it not, under recycling?
    36
    37   MR. MORRIS:  No, because, with respect, the leaflet in its
    38        introductory paragraph refers to tropical forests and when
    39        people -----
    40
    MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You want to unpersuade me now that that is
    42        just rain forest, do you?
    43
    44   MR. MORRIS:  The whole of the Amazon region -- I think this
    45        could be a bit like the debate on styrofoam and polystyrene
    46        foam, that styrofoam is how the public understand what
    47        polystyrene foam is, but polystyrene foam is the specific,
    48        you know, defined, correct technical term.
    49
    50        It is the same with rain forest; the public understand 
    51        rain forest in terms of Brazil as the whole Amazon region. 
    52        The whole Amazon region which ----- 
    53
    54   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I do, with respect, think you have slightly
    55        gone off your track.  I can see you might -- I do not know;
    56        we will wait and see -- if you want to rely on Mr. Monbiot
    57        when we come to soya, in so far as we do come to soya, but
    58        you are not addressing me on possible amendments 3 and 4 at
    59        the moment.
    60