Day 144 - 28 Jun 95 - Page 68
1 want you to refer to it until at least you have produced it
2 to the other side, Mr. Morris.
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4 MR. MORRIS: Yes, I was not going to rely on it or even
5 necessarily refer to it. I was just going to ask whether
6 the witness was aware of it, then he might himself, you
7 know -- I will ask a general question then. He has heard
8 of it anyway.
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10 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Are you aware of McDonald's appearing or not
11 appearing in any listing in the magazine?
12 A. My Lord, the only thing I am aware of is that Black
13 Enterprise magazine has recognised McDonald's from time to
14 time as a premiere employer and premiere organisation as to
15 the numbers of blacks that are franchisees compared to what
16 exists elsewhere in the industry. There have been many
17 references that I have -- "many" -- there have been three
18 or four times that it has been brought to my attention that
19 there are positive articles on McDonald's concerning our
20 employment and concerning our franchisees.
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22 MR. MORRIS: In 1993 is it the case that about 5.4 per cent of
23 McDonald's units were black owned?
24 A. Oh boy, I have no way of knowing, my Lord.
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26 Q. Something like that, do you think that is a reasonable
27 figure?
28 A. I have no way of knowing. The Licensing Department
29 would keep those kinds of matters, I assume. Now I am
30 doing what Mr. Beavers did, so I have to stop myself right
31 there. I am trying to be helpful, but the reality is I do
32 not have that information. I think I have mentioned to you
33 that things involving licensees, I do not really get
34 involved in. I get involved with things involving the
35 employment relationship.
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37 Q. Have you heard of Popeye's Churches fast-food company?
38 A. They are a chicken outlet in the US.
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40 Q. Have you heard of Tom's Foods, snack food ---
41 A. No, I have not.
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43 Q. -- company?
44 A. No, I have not idea who that is.
45
46 Q. With 354 outlets?
47 A. No, probably -- it maybe somewhere in the south, but
48 I am guessing. No, I am guessing. I am trying to be
49 helpful and I am going too far because I do not know.
50
51 Q. Just for the sake of argument ---
52 A. I have never seen one.
53
54 Q. -- we are just concentrating on Popeye's Churches: Would
55 you accept that Popeye's Churches has a greater percentage
56 of black franchisees?
57 A. I cannot do that because I do not know what they have
58 and what they do not have.
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60 Q. It is just because I think, just for explanation, that
