Day 142 - 26 Jun 95 - Page 32

     
     1        throughout the 80s, my Lord.  There were times when they
     2        tried to do boycotts; there were times when they would
     3        picket in front of the stores and then there would be times
     4        they would not.  The activities would go up and they would
     5        go down -----
     6
     7   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What you are being asked is whether you know
     8        of matters reaching particular intensity over the period
     9        from September 88 to May 89?
    10        A.  No different -----
    11
    12   Q.   Or over the last few months before the first agreement was
    13        reached?
    14        A.  No, my Lord.  To me, it was just a repeat of what I had
    15        been advised of in the past.
    16
    17   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What are you trying to -----
    18
    19   MR. MORRIS:  OK, yes.  (To the witness):  Have you visited
    20        Denmark at all since 1980?
         A.  Yes, I have.
    22
    23   Q.   A number of times?
    24        A.  I have probably been there three or four times.
    25
    26   Q.   Could you identify which times ---
    27        A.  Oh, boy!
    28
    29   Q.   -- you have been there?
    30
    31   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Just very roughly if you can; if you really
    32        cannot remember, say so.  When was the last time you went,
    33        can you remember that?
    34        A.  The last time that I recall would have been -- I have
    35        not been there for a number of years -- I would say 1986,
    36        1987, somewhere in that time frame.
    37
    38   MR. MORRIS:  Was the last time that you went?
    39        A.  That is correct.
    40
    Q.   The agreement in Denmark -- I am sure we have a copy of it
    42        actually somewhere in Danish or something but I have not
    43        been able to translate any of the Danish documents we have
    44        been supplied.
    45        A.  I have a tough enough time with English.
    46
    47   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Why do you not put the absolute essence of
    48        what you hope Mr. Stein will agree with?
    49
    50   MR. MORRIS:  All right.  The actual essence of it is, I put it 
    51        to you, Mr. Stein, that the continuous union pressure 
    52        during the 80s and especially -- you will not agree with 
    53        that because you are not sure of that -- in the last period
    54        forced McDonald's to the negotiation table and forced
    55        McDonald's to sign an agreement to negotiate over wage and
    56        conditions with McDonald's employees through the union?
    57        A.  There is a lot there, my Lord, but I will try to answer
    58        as well as I can.  The negotiations in the early 80s began
    59        with the union insisting that we agree to a sit-down
    60        restaurant, we, the owner/operators, agree with the