Day 142 - 26 Jun 95 - Page 17

     
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     2   MR. RAMPTON:  -- and not some little bit Mr. Morris might want
     3        to use for some other purpose.
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     5   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What you can take out of it is some little
     6        bit.  If Mr. Rampton suggests that in order to see the true
     7        meaning of the little bit I have to consider other matters
     8        in the statement, well, that is just a matter of argument.
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    10   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.  I have been treating them as evidence.
    11        Obviously, I understand what Mr. Rampton is saying; it is
    12        the whole statement.
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    14   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  In the light of the discussion we have just
    15        had, you can be reassured that that is so.
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    17   MR. MORRIS:  OK.
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    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I did say, you will remember, some weeks if
    20        not months ago now, that I wanted at some stage, possibly
         as you come to the end of each section, for everyone to
    22        make sure I have made a note of which the relevant Civil
    23        Evidence Act statements are.  In some cases it is obvious
    24        because they are in your pale blue bundle 2 or in yellow
    25        XIII.
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    27   MR. RAMPTON:  We do not have a problem so far as our own ones
    28        are concerned, I do not think.  One or two we have had to
    29        add to our Civil Evidence Act bundles.  My Lord, I would
    30        find it very difficult to know over the span of the case so
    31        far to try to remember which are the ones which the
    32        Defendants have proffered as bits of paper and then said
    33        they want a Civil Evidence Act Notice on it.  I would find
    34        that a very difficult task and I do believe the Defendants
    35        should be left to do that.
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    37   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Each party must do it in relation to their
    38        own witnesses.  There is no problem, Mr. Morris.  If the
    39        statement, for instance, appears in the list of witnesses
    40        which is at the bundle, for instance, of pale blue 2 --
         I have written in in longhand, or Mr. Stiles did, the name
    42        of additional witnesses, like the french witnesses, who
    43        have been put in there -- my concern was where additional
    44        statements have come really in other areas than
    45        employment.  The American witness who had something to say
    46        about incineration, for instance, was the example I gave
    47        before, but you need not worry about that now.
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    49        If you want time to see where you are, we will have our
    50        five-minute break. 
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    52                       (Short Adjournment) 
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    54   MS. STEEL:  I just wanted to ask some general questions about
    55        unions:  When you go down to give advice to franchisees or
    56        operators in other countries about trade unions, why do you
    57        not advise them that they should negotiate with the union,
    58        that it would be a good idea to negotiate with the union?
    59        A.  What I advise them, first of all, is to seek the best,
    60        most prominent, distinguished labour counsel in their area,