Day 141 - 23 Jun 95 - Page 29

     
     1        want to know what happened?
     2
     3   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You told us that -- I think Mr. Major said
     4        much the same thing yesterday evening -- they had to get on
     5        with it or that was going to be it?
     6        A.  That is correct, my Lord.
     7
     8   MR. MORRIS:  The UFW had not started a boycott at that stage?
     9        A.  No, they had not.  I had just received -- I had
    10        received a telephone call from Cesar Chevez and he had
    11        threatened it.   My recollection is nothing had happened at
    12        all at that point, other than his conversation with me.
    13
    14   Q.   When Cesar Chevez threatens a boycott, if he does it, he
    15        means things like picketing stores?
    16        A.  Cesar Chevez is a little bit of tongue-in-cheek.
    17        I have known him for sometime.  He is deceased now.  He and
    18        I knew each other well and had frequent conversations, and
    19        you never knew for sure whether or not he was really
    20        pulling your leg or serious, but I told him I would look
         into the matter because I was not aware of what was going
    22        on, but I would look into the matter.
    23
    24   Q.   His union was capable of picketing the stores?
    25        A.  Oh, yes.
    26
    27   Q.   Secondary picketing the stores?
    28        A.  Yes, he was very capable of doing that.  They had done
    29        that.
    30
    31   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  His union had taken effective action in
    32        various ways in other situations before 1983 or 1984?
    33        A.  Not against McDonald's.
    34
    35   Q.   No, I am not suggesting that.
    36        A.  Yes, against companies.
    37
    38   Q.   It proved an effective union?
    39        A.  That is correct.
    40
    Q.   Under his leadership?
    42        A.  I did not hear the last word?
    43
    44   Q.   Under his leadership?
    45        A.  Yes, my Lord.
    46
    47   MR. MORRIS:  I think we mentioned this before, that this is one
    48        of the unions that would have potentially some designs on
    49        McDonald's?
    50        A.  You have to separate the two unions that I think we are 
    51        starting to get confused with.  The United Food and 
    52        Commercial Workers is a union that has an interest in 
    53        McDonald's, but the United Farm Workers, he is interested
    54         -- maybe there may be an exception or two -- but he is
    55        interested in agricultural workers, if you will, not
    56        McDonald's workers.  That is not what he is looking for.
    57        So his threats had nothing to do with McDonald's stores,
    58        except for secondary boycotts, to put pressure on Bruce
    59        Church to do what he wanted to do with Bruce Church.  It
    60        had nothing to do with McDonald's employees whatsoever,