Day 140 - 22 Jun 95 - Page 13

     
     1        sent to these two gentlemen, he is talking to the top
     2        management of the Company with his point of view.
     3
     4   MR. MORRIS:  But as Head of Human Resources and personnel
     5        matters, he would have responsibility for anything
     6        affecting crew conditions and morale, or whatever, would he
     7        not?
     8        A.  If you will notice a Don Horwitz, who CC'd on this, he
     9        was the General Council, and my understanding, at least
    10        when I came on board, was that this area was administered
    11        by our General Council, not by John Cook.
    12
    13        You will notice, in fact, it says that he proposes
    14        something.  That suggests to me, further, that this was not
    15        within his purview to make a decision; he was proposing to
    16        the top management and to the department that handles it.
    17
    18   Q.   He was not asking the lawyers, was he?
    19        A.  This was going to the lawyers, as well; it was going to
    20        Don Horwitz.
    21
    22   Q.   But he was not asking the lawyers to make a decision?
    23        A.  He was making a proposal.
    24
    25   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  He was not making the decision himself, is
    26        what Mr. Stein is -----
    27
    28   MR. MORRIS:  He was not asking the lawyers to make a decision,
    29        either, was he?  He was saying it ought to be a policy
    30        decision of the Corporation?
    31        A.  If this is his memo, he was sending this to these
    32        people as a proposal.
    33
    34   Q.   If we turn over the page -- sorry, not that.  It is 76.
    35        A.  OK.
    36
    37   Q.   I am not sure.  Hold on a second.  Maybe just read that to
    38        yourself.
    39        A.  (Pause)  I have read it.
    40
    Q.   I think we looked at these before.  It is part of letters
    42        going to and from the Senior Deputy Labour Commissioner,
    43        Brian Seal?
    44        A.  You are saying that I have looked at these before?
    45
    46   Q.   No, no.  Mr. Beavers went through these, anyway.
    47
    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Put to Mr. Stein only those things where you
    49        think Mr. Stein can advance our fund of information.
    50 
    51   MR. MORRIS:  We recognise that as a letter from the Senior 
    52        Deputy Labour Commissioner, Brian Seal, April 2nd, 1973? 
    53        A.  Excuse me?
    54
    55   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The letter there?
    56        A.  You see as much as I see.
    57
    58   Q.    Sorry?
    59        A.  He or you see as much as I see.
    60