Day 139 - 21 Jun 95 - Page 20

     
     1        two to three months.
     2
     3   Q.   And then there is this raffle at the end of it?
     4        A.  That is correct.
     5
     6   Q.   This was being played at the time -- sorry.  For the
     7        raffle, employees can win prizes?
     8        A.  That is correct.
     9
    10   Q.   This was being played at the time of the election campaign?
    11        A.  Yes, throughout the Michigan region and other regions.
    12
    13   Q.   How much time did you spend at the Detroit Ralph Kelly
    14        stores?
    15        A.  All told?  Because I would come in maybe for a day at a
    16        time, maybe two times, but not continuously.  Are you
    17        asking me the entire length of time I would have been
    18        there?
    19
    20   Q.   Yes.
         A.  Probably two weeks, maybe a little bit more,
    22        altogether, from start to finish.
    23
    24   Q.   At that time, how many franchisees were there in the USA?
    25        A.  Oh boy, now this is a test.  Let me see.  When
    26        I started with the Company, there were 2,700.  There were
    27        probably about 4,500, 5,000 restaurants in the US.
    28
    29   Q.   Do you know roughly how many franchises there would have
    30        been?
    31        A.  OK.  1,000, 1,200, somewhere in that area.
    32
    33   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You meant 4,500 or 5,000 franchised
    34        restaurants?
    35        A.  Total restaurants, everything; and I am doing this by
    36        trying to extrapolate some numbers in my head and trying to
    37        give you as good an estimate as I can.
    38
    39   MS. STEEL:  How long had the Ralph Kelly operation been up and
    40        running?
         A.  Ralph Kelly was a long term McDonald's operator; he had
    42        been an operator for many years.  I cannot give you
    43        precisely when he started.
    44
    45   Q.   So he had considerable experience in running the stores?
    46        A.  Yes.
    47
    48   Q.   Why did you spend so much time down there with him in the
    49        stores?
    50        A.  Because we were experiencing something we had never 
    51        seen before.  I was trying to figure out what it was all 
    52        about, what was going on; and the union was doing something 
    53        also I had never seen before in an organising drive:  going
    54        to the media and trying to drum up community support
    55        against McDonald's in general.  They are dealing with our
    56        reputation.
    57
    58   Q.   What were they saying, then?
    59        A.  They were calling us every name in the book.
    60