Day 139 - 21 Jun 95 - Page 18

     
     1   MR. MORRIS:  I certainly would like that, as well.
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     3   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  But, if I may say so, you have gone
     4        pretty slowly this morning.  We are in an area which
     5        I perceive is your special interest and on which you
     6        consider you are well informed.  So you ought to be able to
     7        keep moving along fairly quickly.  I will break off for ten
     8        minutes, not five, and I want you to get yourself organised
     9        so that we can move along steadily.
    10
    11                         (Short Adjournment)
    12
    13   MR. MORRIS:  Mr. Rampton asked you a lot of questions about an
    14        organisation called Acorn ---
    15        A.  Yes, he did.
    16
    17   Q.   -- in Detroit.  You seem quite knowledgeable about the
    18        organisation.  Did you investigate the organisation?
    19        A.  I looked into who they were, yes.
    20
    Q.   Are you aware that they are an organisation with tens of
    22        thousands of members?
    23        A.  I am not.  I cannot tell you how many members they had.
    24          I know that they had a lot of members, but I cannot give
    25        you a precise number.
    26
    27   Q.   Are you aware that 85 percent of the membership is black?
    28        A.  No, I am not.  I am aware that they have a constitution
    29        and bylaws -- that would appear to be something that a
    30        white supremacist group would have -- that was shocking to
    31        me.
    32
    33   Q.   Are you aware that the Detroit Fast Food Workers' Union
    34        merged with the Service Employees Industrial Union?
    35        A.  I knew there was some connection at some point, but
    36        I do not know about an official merger.  I do know that
    37        Danny Cantor, at one point after the Detroit thing,
    38        identified himself as an organiser for the Service
    39        Employees Union, but that was after the Detroit matter.
    40
    Q.   They are the largest union in the country, you said, or
    42        something like that?
    43        A.  I did not say that.  I do not believe they are the
    44        largest union in the United States.
    45
    46   Q.   They are a very large union?
    47        A.  They are a large union, yes, but I do not think they
    48        are at the top.  If I might, there was no connection with
    49        that union and Danny Cantor and Detroit that I knew of
    50        during the Detroit matter that we are talking about. 
    51 
    52   MS. STEEL:  Can I just ask:  you said yesterday -- you were 
    53        talking about McBingo, and I think you kind of were a bit
    54        hazy on some of the details.  You said they had not done it
    55        for a while, McDonald's has not done that for a while?
    56        A.  Yes.  It was a training programme that we used
    57        nationwide in the late 70s/early 80s.  Then we have gone on
    58        from there to other programmes.
    59
    60   Q.   So it is not a programme that has been used since, say,