Day 131 - 06 Jun 95 - Page 58
1 A. Yes.
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3 Q. You have seen or heard of no estimate of what it was
4 previous to that?
5 A. No, I have not.
6
7 Q. You said that the RIDDOR accident statistics are valuable
8 in terms of identifying trends?
9 A. Yes. They are but one part of the picture, but they
10 identify trends, certainly.
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12 Q. So why did McDonald's not compile statistics before your
13 time? Did you ask them?
14 A. I have never asked them. Many organisations did not
15 compile statistics before then. They have to get their
16 reporting right before they become meaningful.
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18 Q. They were not compiling statistics when you joined
19 McDonald's, when you started to be used by McDonald's ---
20 A. Well, that is not the first -----
21
22 Q. -- engaged?
23 A. That is not the first question I ask when I walk into a
24 company: "Show me your statistics". If you say that is
25 the case, I am sure that is so. But the whole point was,
26 I was asked to begin to contribute to their safety
27 management systems which they have continued to build up
28 from then onwards. But, certainly, they had a lot of
29 things in place before I walked in the door.
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31 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Do you want to take the five-minute break
32 now?
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34 MR. MORRIS: Yes.
35
36 (Short Adjournment)
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38 MR. MORRIS: To save time, you cannot offer an expert opinion on
39 what happened before you joined the Company?
40 A. No. I can tell you the condition when I came in, but
41 I cannot say what had happened before.
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43 Q. You cannot give an expert opinion of what actually happens
44 in the stores on a day-to-day basis?
45 A. Yes, I can, because I have observed what happens in the
46 stores on a day-to-day basis.
47
48 Q. You said you watched for two hours some unit, but in terms
49 of -----
50 A. On a number of occasions, and I have obviously visited
51 stores.
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53 Q. How many occasions have you visited stores and observed for
54 a significant period of time?
55 A. It would be difficult to say. Probably a dozen
56 occasions, something like that. I have been in on many
57 occasions, because I tend to meet people there, or
58 whatever. I have to say that when I take my son for a
59 burger, or whatever, I cannot stop looking. So I do
60 genuinely feel that I know what goes on in the norm.
