Day 131 - 06 Jun 95 - Page 42
1 you are doing for those as you do -----
2 A. The same kind of work, yes. It may involve more
3 monitoring work than I do for McDonald's; in other words,
4 I actually inspect some of the other organisations, I
5 actually inspect their kitchens, and so on and so forth.
6 Although I know well McDonald's operation, they would not
7 engage me to do routine monitoring within their
8 organisation, because they do it themselves.
9
10 Q. Do McDonald's have any other health, hygiene and safety
11 consultancy firm or consultant such as yourself who they
12 use in the same way as you?
13 A. They did have at one stage a guy who had input on food
14 safety particularly and, in fact, did run a couple of their
15 health and safety courses for them at one stage -- the
16 advanced IEH course.
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18 Q. Was that some years ago?
19 A. Within the last two years, that would have been.
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21 Q. But in terms of employee health and safety, you are
22 basically their consultant?
23 A. In terms of, if you like, the safety philosophies and
24 building a safety culture, yes, indeed; it would be my
25 input, primarily.
26
27 Q. For the years since -- you have been doing that work since
28 1990?
29 A. Yes.
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31 Q. Leaving aside the ventilation systems in 1986?
32 A. Yes, that was a one-off.
33
34 Q. But since 1990, you have been the consultant concerned with
35 employee health and safety that McDonald's use?
36 A. Yes, I would think that was right.
37
38 Q. When in 1990 did that start?
39 A. I really cannot remember, I am sorry, without sort of
40 trawling through files and things.
41
42 Q. You said something about -- I have a note somewhere -- that
43 you got a look in before the end of 1991 -----
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45 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It would have to be after July 1990 because,
46 as I understand it, it was Mrs. Barnes who brought you in
47 after she had been appointed as Health and Safety Officer?
48 A. That is so, my Lord. I cannot recollect the dates. My
49 apologies.
50
51 Q. She told us she became Health and Safety Officer in
52 July 1990. But she was in post when you started, was she?
53 A. As I remember.
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55 MR. MORRIS: So, effectively, since that time, your role with
56 McDonald's is equivalent in all fundamental ways with the
57 other companies that you have been working with that you
58 mentioned; there might be specific details different
59 between each one, but the role is the same?
60 A. I am covering some of the same functions. I do some
