Day 131 - 06 Jun 95 - Page 39

     
     1   Q.   If you took a bit of time to think about it, or telephoned
     2        someone, could you actually get the full names?  Are they
     3        HMSO publications?
     4        A.  Well, they are published by the Health and Safety
     5        Executive, and the HMSO do not retail all their
     6        publications these days.
     7
     8   Q.   Will they have a reference number -- something of 1994, or
     9        something like that?
    10        A.  They will have an ISBN number, yes.
    11
    12   MR. MORRIS:  Do you know if Jill Barnes' department has those
    13        documents which would be relevant to McDonald's?
    14        A.  I honestly do not know.  She may well have.
    15        I certainly have a Recipe for Safety at home, myself.  It
    16        is a document that I use widely, just to illustrate a point
    17        when I am lecturing.  So I do know its contents fairly
    18        well.
    19
    20   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can you get the ISB numbers?
         A.  Yes, I can endeavour to do so, my Lord.
    22
    23   Q.   In any event, that is what you are relying on?
    24        A.  Yes, indeed.
    25
    26   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I would like to say something.  I know
    27        your Lordship does not thank me for continually grumbling,
    28        but we have actually just had a ten-day holiday, and the
    29        Defendants are not even now ready to cross-examine.
    30
    31   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I had not interpreted it as that way, because
    32        there are respects in which Mr. Purslow has elaborated on
    33        his statement.  It may very well be that, for all I know,
    34        if Mr. Morris and Ms. Steel started now they could
    35        cross-examine perfectly well for half an hour.  But it
    36        seems to me it is not too much of indulgence to give them
    37        an extra 75 minutes on the midday adjournment in the light
    38        of the evidence which Mr. Purslow has actually given.  What
    39        is wrong with that?  I can remember often enough, as
    40        counsel, standing up and taking a bit of time to get into
         my stride.  You have no doubt had the feeling yourself,
    42        Mr. Rampton.
    43
    44   MS. STEEL:  You said 75 minutes, but it is 15.
    45
    46   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  An extra 15 minutes on top of the hour.
    47
    48                        (Luncheon Adjournment)
    49
    50                  Cross-examined by the Defendants 
    51 
    52   MS. STEEL:  Before Mr. Morris starts, I notice that someone came 
    53        back with some more copies of those reports, so is it
    54        possible for me to have one again, because I handed mine --
    55        I do not know whether to you or to the witness.
    56
    57   MR. RAMPTON:  Someone came back with some copies of the report,
    58        because they went and bought them.  If they would like one
    59        each, I will give it to Ms. Steel.
    60