Day 124 - 10 May 95 - Page 07

     
     1        information as to what it might mean, not in the
     2        circumstances of this case, to explain it.  One has just to
     3        look at what the ordinary reader would make of it without
     4        any special knowledge such as this background information.
     5
     6        What I suggest you ask, because I am not going to stand in
     7        the way of doing that, you can ask Mr. Beavers if he
     8        appreciated that criticism mounted in relation to areas of
     9        forest required for -- (To the witness):  Perhaps you would
    10        listen to what I say because it may amount to the question
    11        itself at the end of the day -- whether criticisms at very
    12        approximately the time Mr. Morris has given, in so far as
    13        it dealt with areas of the forest required to support
    14        McDonald's demand for paper or cardboard packaging,
    15        paperboard packaging, was related, not to what area of
    16        forest you might have to fell around the world in any one
    17        particular year, but to the area of forest required to
    18        sustain that yield generation after generation; do you see
    19        what I mean?
    20
    THE WITNESS:  Yes, I do, my Lord.
    22
    23   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is what you are getting at really, is
    24        it?
    25
    26   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.  (To the witness):  I mean, you appreciate
    27        that point?
    28
    29   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You see the difference, do you?
    30        A.  Yes.
    31
    32   Q.   Can you help about that?  Was the criticism, as you
    33        understood it -- first of all, do you generally remember
    34        some criticism about area of forest required for -----
    35        A.  I vaguely recall some criticism about it, but I think
    36        the preponderance of opinion at the time was that that was
    37        not a serious issue.  There were, obviously, opposing
    38        points of view and our view was that our use of, our
    39        expanded use of, paper packaging did not have a serious
    40        impact on forests either in the United States or around the
         world.
    42
    43   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Just pause there because that is not what you
    44        are being asked at the moment.  If I might say so, if you
    45        just answer the question because, however much you may want
    46        to, it is not your function to argue, as Mr. Rampton might
    47        do in due course, what conclusion.  I do not want to limit
    48        you too much on that.  But all that is being put to you at
    49        the moment, were you conscious that one way of measuring
    50        forest required was on what Mr. Morris has called the 
    51        sustained yield basis? 
    52        A.  Yes. 
    53
    54   Q.   You understand the distinction?
    55        A.  Yes, my Lord, I understand the difference.
    56
    57   Q.   Was part of the criticism on the sustained yield basis?
    58        A.  Yes, it was.
    59
    60   Q.   It was, right.