Day 123 - 09 May 95 - Page 24

     
     1        would be the only woman.  There are two besides myself;
     2        Raymond Mines, he is also black.
     3
     4   Q.   Then the Regional Vice Presidents, they are in alphabetical
     5        order which helps?
     6        A.  OK.  Annis Alston, Claire Babrowski -- this is as of
     7        1992; there have been substantial changes since 1992, this
     8        is somewhat dated -- Pat Isaacs, Glenn Kikuchi, Ed Sanchez,
     9        Sandra Thomas.
    10
    11   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Sorry, after Mr. Kikuchi -- Mr. Kikuchi is
    12        black, is he?
    13        A.  No, Asian.  Ed Sanchez, Sandra Thomas and then we have
    14        Bonnie Kos, Sharon Vuinovich, Monica Boyles, Lynn Crump,
    15        Kramer -- Jan Kramer I do not see on here; she should be on
    16        here -- Linda Kravitz.
    17
    18   MS. STEEL:  What you just said about Kramer, there is a James
    19        Kramer there?
    20        A.  Yes, it should be Jan Kramer I believe who is Assistant
         VP.
    22
    23   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It should be?  What were you saying about
    24        Mr. Kramer?
    25        A.  There is a Jan Kramer that is an Assistant VP, as
    26        I recall.  She is not on this list.
    27
    28   MS. STEEL:  In 1992?
    29        A.  It seems to me she should have been; I could be wrong
    30        on that, she is now.  Gloria Santona -- I might indicate to
    31        the court that the information that I provided the court
    32        was based on information or the statistics that I recall as
    33        of July 1994.  So, this information you are looking at is
    34        as of 1992 and the information that I gave you, I think,
    35        reflected a number of changes that had taken place over the
    36        past couple of years.  Those statistics are of -----
    37
    38   MS. STEEL:  Was that a continuing trend?  I mean, as at the
    39        position in 1989/90, would there have been less women and
    40        ethnic minorities?
         A.  Yes, so there has been continued progress.
    42
    43   Q.   Can you just do the same for directors?
    44
    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I have 11 women and five ethnic minorities.
    46        A.  Now, when you say five ---
    47
    48   Q.   Yes.
    49        A.  -- counting both columns?
    50 
    51   Q.   Yes, yourself, Mr. Mines? 
    52        A.  It should be more than that.  Let us see. 
    53
    54   Q.   Mr. Kikuchi, Mr. Sanchez?
    55        A.  Annis Alston, Pat Isaacs -- Annis Alston, Patricia
    56        Isaacs.
    57
    58   Q.   But is Patricia Isaacs black as well?
    59        A.  Yes, she is black and Annis Alston is black as well.
    60