Day 122 - 05 May 95 - Page 22

     
     1        already given his answer to that.  Just put it straight to
     2        him.
     3
     4   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I think he has to go further than that
     5        because the higher grades are salaried.  He has got to put
     6        to Mr. Nicholson that the salaried people are not paid if
     7        they are not in the store.
     8
     9   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is a perfectly normal phenomenon, is it
    10        not, that people do, from time to time, the job of someone
    11        who is higher in the hierarchy than they do?  It may be
    12        through management necessity; it may be to give them a
    13        chance to get the experience; maybe to get a chance to see
    14        how they do it.  You are suggesting, and this is what you
    15        ought to put, that in McDonald's it is done do save money
    16        on salaries/wages.
    17
    18   MR. MORRIS:  It is one -----
    19        A.  My answer to that is no ----
    20
    MR. MORRIS:  It is one of saving money, is it not, that if you
    22        can have somebody on a lower pay scale, carrying out the
    23        functions of somebody on a higher grade who has been
    24        trained for that purpose, then it is just a fact of life it
    25        will save the company money, will it not?
    26        A.  It is a fact that that could be so.  We do not use it
    27        that way.
    28
    29   Q.   One final question on that point.  The closes that are
    30        done, when you close a store, that is a very responsible
    31        job?
    32        A.  It is part of running the restaurant.
    33
    34   Q.   Yes?
    35        A.  Everything in the restaurant is a responsible job.
    36
    37   Q.   Cleaning electrical equipment, ensuring everything is ---
    38        A.  Hygienic.
    39
    40   Q.   OK for the next day?
         A.  Yes.
    42
    43   Q.   What grade of management would that be expected to be done
    44        by?
    45        A.  Shift Running Manager.
    46
    47   Q.   A Shift Running Manager.  Is that one step up from Floor
    48        Manager?
    49        A.  No Shift Running Manager -- it could be Floor Manager,
    50        trainee Manager a second assistant, a first assistant, it 
    51        could be the Manager.  They all take their turns in doing 
    52        closes.  I will extract from that "trainee Manager"; I do 
    53        not think they would give that to a trainee Manager.
    54
    55   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Ms. Steel was quite happy we continue, was
    56        she?
    57
    58   MR. MORRIS:  Yes, she has just gone out for a couple of
    59        minutes.  I will ask a couple of questions in the
    60        meanwhile. One thing, I did read somewhere, but I cannot