Day 122 - 05 May 95 - Page 10


     
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     2   Q.   Was that at a later date that you suggested that?
     3        A.  No, I did not suggest that.
     4
     5   Q.   Or the decision was made, sorry?
     6        A.  I believe so, but how much later I do not know, or
     7        I cannot remember.
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     9   Q.   When you sign and date statements, do you always put the
    10        date that you ---
    11        A.  I sign it.
    12
    13   Q.   -- are signing it?
    14        A.  Yes.
    15
    16   Q.   The second statement, the one without the paragraphs about
    17        Mark Hopkins ---
    18        A.  Yes.
    19
    20   Q.  --  is it your recollection you signed that at a later date?
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    22   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can we go back a bit?  Do you have a
    23        recollection now of signing a statement and then being
    24        given another, not the one which came perhaps a year
    25        later  ---
    26        A.  Yes, I do.
    27
    28   Q.   -- of a Court of Appeal hearing, but another one which was
    29        modified to some extent?
    30        A.   Yes.
    31
    32   Q.   You do remember?
    33        A.  I signed the first statement.  That went back to
    34        Barlows.  I think it was fairly swiftly afterwards that
    35        they made the decision to call Jill Barnes to deal with the
    36        Mark Hopkins affair, because I had no personal knowledge of
    37        it.  The statement was retyped and sent back to me.
    38
    39   MS. STEEL:   So the first statement that you signed was
    40        definitely the one that included the passages about Mark
    41        Hopkins?
    42        A.  Yes.
    43
    44   Q.   When you say "fairly swiftly afterwards" what are you
    45        talking about?
    46        A.  I cannot remember.
    47
    48   Q.   A week or what?
    49        A.  I would not like to mislead you.  I cannot remember,
    50        but I mean it was very current because my statement had 
    51        gone back.  They had read it, considered it, and then it 
    52        came back to me. 
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    54   Q.   It would not be more than a month?
    55        A.  I do not know.
    56
    57   Q.   It could have been more than a month then?
    58        A.  I say I cannot remember.
    59
    60   Q.   Can you give any explanation as to why both these

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