Day 120 - 03 May 95 - Page 23

     
     1   Q.   It was just coincidence that you happened to pick up the
     2        only three phone calls there were about -----
     3        A.  Well, I was more often at Head Office than the other
     4        two because I had other functions.  I was at that time
     5        heavily into franchising and spent an awful lot of time
     6        interviewing at Head Office.  The other two were working in
     7        the field.
     8
     9   Q.   If they were working in the field, it would have been more
    10        appropriate for them to go really, would it not, than you
    11        to stay at Head Office concentrating on your duties there?
    12        A.  No, it was on the way home
    13
    14   Q.   What, to Liverpool?
    15        A.  No, not to Liverpool.  Liverpool was a deliberate
    16        excursion up to Liverpool.  That is a long way.
    17
    18   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  We are dodging around a bit because these
    19        last two or three questions arose out of Mr. Nicholson
    20        picking up the phone.  If you are challenging this area,
         you really ought to be asking, if that be so, why he went
    22        himself rather than suggest one of the people who was
    23        around the country anyway went up.
    24
    25   MR. MORRIS:  You said the Liverpool one was a deliberate
    26        excursion; that was one that you personally wanted to
    27        attend?
    28        A.  I travelled up to attend the meeting, yes.
    29
    30   Q.   That is one that you wanted to attend rather than Carmel or
    31         ----
    32        A.  Oh, yes, yes.  Well, I wanted to attend all three.
    33        I grabbed every opportunity I could to go to restaurants.
    34
    35   Q.   When there were union matters being discussed that you knew
    36        about?
    37        A.  Oh, no.  I attended -- they were the only three on
    38        union matters but I attended many, many restaurants for
    39        other reasons.
    40
    Q.   There were a lot of grievances and issues being discussed
    42        at that crew meeting in Liverpool, you said?
    43        A.  There were issues.  I did not say "grievances".
    44
    45   Q.   All right, issues regarding, you said, pay and
    46        management/staff relations the crew, presumably, were
    47        concerned about, yes?
    48        A.  The normal crew meeting.  They go through a procedure.
    49
    50   Q.   So these would be fairly normal at any crew meeting, yes, 
    51        so in fact you could be attending at the time 350 crew 
    52        meetings every month, could you not? 
    53        A.  Why?
    54
    55   Q.   Because they were the sort of meetings that you like to
    56        attend?
    57        A.  No, that was -- I was invited to attend that one.  They
    58        particularly asked me to go.
    59
    60   Q.   Exactly, because they were discussing trades unions, were