Day 120 - 03 May 95 - Page 09
1 A. We shared an area in the Head Office, and I used to be
2 the Head of the Security Department and knew them all very
3 personally, and I had gone to ask him where I could park,
4 and he said: "I will show you. I will go down there.
5 There are one or two jobs that need doing, I will go with
6 you".
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8 Q. I remember that, the parking, somewhere to park. What time
9 did you get there?
10 A. I think, if I remember correctly, and it is going back
11 to 1985, I think the meeting was at 7.00, so I would have
12 got there about half past 6. That stretch of Mare Street
13 is totally prohibited on parking.
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15 MR. MORRIS: You had never been to the store before?
16 A. No
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18 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Just let me ask another question, please.
19 I do not want to interrupt your cross-examination too
20 much.
21 (To the witness): Did you think it might create the wrong
22 impression going with an Area Security Manager, the person,
23 for instance, who is responsible for the elimination of
24 criminal activity in the store?
25 A. No, I did not really give that a thought. I did not
26 anticipate he would come to the meeting. I cannot
27 remember, but I do not think he did attend.
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29 MR. MORRIS: You had not been to that store before?
30 A. No.
31
32 Q. How do you know that parking was prohibitive in Mare
33 Street?
34 A. I did not at that time.
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36 Q. You did not ask the Manager, or any of the staff, what the
37 crew grievances were that would lead them to wanting to
38 join a union?
39 A. I have just said I think I probably did ask them if
40 they had any particular difficulties.
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42 Q. And they did not tell you?
43 A. I cannot remember any being put forward, other than
44 that they were pursuing the opportunity of being
45 represented by a trade union.
46
47 Q. But if McDonald's procedures, as you claim, allow for crew
48 members to pursue grievances or express grievances, why
49 would anybody want to be represented by a union?
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51 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It is pretty obvious, is it not? The whole
52 point, I would have thought, of joining a union, as you, no
53 doubt, would be the first to say, that you have got
54 strength in numbers, especially if you have a big battalion
55 on the other side, or what you may, in some circumstances,
56 see as the other side. I mean, your whole point, surely,
57 is that they would want to join a union so that they would
58 have more combined strength, and that that is the last
59 thing in the world McDonald's want. That is your case, is
60 it not?
