Day 115 - 06 Apr 95 - Page 21

     
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     2   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, day 18, page 39 -----
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     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I would much rather you gave me dates.  By
     5        all means give the day number as well.
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     7   MR. RAMPTON:  Sorry, my Lord, 26th July.
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     9   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I do not live my life by day numbers, I am
    10        afraid.
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    12   MR. RAMPTON:  I agree, nor do I.  26th July 1994, page 39, lines
    13        7 to 23 and, in particular, lines 22 and 23.  This is a
    14        description by Dr. Gregory of what he saw in the stunning
    15        pen which he described as "a subtle way of doing it, not
    16        commonly used, at least I have never seen that done", he
    17        said, "to such sophistication or such a high level anywhere
    18        else."  I asked:  "Will you advise other people to try that
    19        technique?"  Answer:  "I certainly will".
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    MS. STEEL:  As I recall, that was moving the pigs.  Certainly,
    22        if you look at day ------
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    24   MR. RAMPTON:  This is in the stunning pen.
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    26   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Will everyone calm down.  I am going to rise
    27        and we will come back tomorrow and continue with this case.
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    29   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I will sit down.  I will allow the
    30        Defendants to read the passage to which I have just
    31        referred your Lordship.
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    33   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It would be helpful if I was given time to
    34        read the passage myself rather than having a squabble about
    35        what is going without me getting a chance to look at it.
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    37   MR. RAMPTON:  I apologise, my Lord, that is quite right.  If
    38        I invite your Lordship's attention to that particular
    39        passage, starting probably at line 7.
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    MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think the point being made is that what
    42        Dr. Gregory approved of is the way they were ushered to the
    43        point where they were being stunned.
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    45   MR. RAMPTON:  Exactly.
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    47   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  But that was happening singularly when he
    48        observed it.  I think the point being taken is that he did
    49        not anywhere (and this may be right or wrong) see them
    50        coming in in twos or threes and give his blessing to that. 
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    52   MR. RAMPTON:  No, I did actually qualify my question by 
    53        reminding Dr. Long of what Dr. Gregory saw was singularly.
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    55   MS. STEEL:  Actually, that was not what I was objecting to.
    56        I was objecting to the fact that Mr. Rampton said the
    57        stunning procedure was to be recommended which is not the
    58        case at all.  He indicated that there was a risk that the
    59        pigs could be caused distress at the very minimum.  In
    60        actual fact, the thing about pigs regaining consciousness