Day 115 - 06 Apr 95 - Page 15
1 The only reservation I had (and this again was something
2 that was not discussed in Mr. Bowes's evidence) was that in
3 bad weather you have to make sure that with these housings
4 one way or another they do not blow over. So, if you are
5 using straw bales, you have to make sure they are well
6 attached.
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8 Q. You have also to ensure that they do not get soaking wet
9 too, I suppose, have you not?
10 A. Yes, but traditional farming has found ways over that.
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12 Q. The floor of an insulated arc is not going to get soaking
13 wet unless you have a tropical downpour, I assume. Could
14 I ask you, please, to recover from the shelves behind a
15 yellow volume IX headed Rearing and Slaughter. Please turn
16 to tab 7.
17 A. I have tab 7.
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19 Q. Please turn behind Mr. Bowes' statement to what should be a
20 coloured brochure?
21 A. I have it here. I think I will take it out.
22
23 Q. Please open it up like that and turn the cover so that you
24 face it.
25 A. The cover?
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27 Q. Yes, I would like you to look at the cover which is a
28 complete picture, back and front is one picture. This
29 Mr. Bowes, as you will have seen, told us it was
30 representative of the conditions in which his outdoor pigs
31 live. Do you have any comment about it, adverse or
32 otherwise?
33 A. No, it looks -- that looks quite good. I mean, it is a
34 corner. It looks as if it is a fine day, so I am glad to
35 see that that is quite good. I cannot quite understand --
36 the grass seems quite thick. Do you know what time of the
37 year this was taken?
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39 Q. I can only suggest to you, from looking at it, it is sort
40 September/early October -----
41 A. Yes, I am going by the trees.
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43 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Mr. Rampton, I am not sure, so far as
44 Dr. Long is concerned, the conditions in which the pigs
45 live outdoors matter that much. They certainly do not at
46 the moment to me. It might well be that Dr. Long could
47 find something he did not like, quite apart from the fact
48 that piglets are killed at a certain age, but your argument
49 is really not so much between arcs and bales, but between
50 living outdoors and living indoors?
51 A. And intensification generally.
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53 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, I follow that argument. It has some
54 relevance, perhaps, for two reasons; the first is that
55 McKey's do take a certain amount of meat from the outdoor
56 pigs.
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58 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, I am aware of that.
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60 MR. RAMPTON: Secondly, of course, because it may be indicative
