Day 115 - 06 Apr 95 - Page 09
1 MR. JUSTICE BELL: As far as I am concerned, it is valid to put
2 to the witness; how far it gets at the end of the day we
3 will have to sit back and see. You may well succeed on the
4 point that there is absolutely no evidence that this is
5 actually what happened, but let us see where we go with the
6 witness. At the moment he is answering back in favour of
7 the points you have tried to make on the basis of it.
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9 MS. STEEL: I do realise that.
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11 MR. JUSTICE BELL: So I am reluctant -----
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13 MS. STEEL: I do realise that.
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15 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I have very much in mind the point which you
16 made on Tuesday.
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18 MR. RAMPTON: Dr. Long, assuming these -----
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20 MR. JUSTICE BELL: May I just ask one thing, Mr. Rampton?
21 I thought you were introducing another factor that you
22 thought these started because of an investigation or partly
23 because of an investigation that Dr. Gregory was making?
24 A. That was my understanding from the evidence that I was
25 given.
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27 Q. Yet he did not seem to be aware of the results?
28 A. That is what puzzled me. Of course, I was puzzled by
29 the fact that the word "sheep" came up. As a referee of
30 scientific journals and so on, I do wonder if the rest of
31 the information is very reliable when a mistake like that
32 is made.
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34 MR. RAMPTON: You did not read an explanation of that in
35 Mr. Bowes' evidence?
36 A. I read there was an explanation, but I would have found
37 it some sort evidence of carelessness.
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39 Q. With due respect to you, Dr. Long, you do not decide issues
40 of fact in this case or credibility. Making all due
41 allowance us for your dubiousness about these documents,
42 assume that "sheep" means "pigs" and assume that the
43 figures represent measurements, actual measurements, in a
44 number of actual cases of stunning, then the amperage is
45 within the range of tolerance which you would accept as
46 being proper for the stunning of pigs, is it not?
47 A. No, I was puzzled. First of all, on the left hand
48 access, the vertical access, it does not actually say what
49 it is, but I presume that is the figure that we get current
50 within one second, 1.38 amps in the first or 1.30, I think
51 it is. But then there is another current value which
52 I could not understand what that was, which is .65. This
53 means that I am perplexed. I would love to discuss it with
54 Dr. Gregory but he has not very handy at the moment.
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56 Q. He is in New Zealand.
57 A. I just say that these figures and the background to it
58 all perplex me. I cannot say that I have reached a
59 conclusion.
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