Day 109 - 28 Mar 95 - Page 28

     
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     2   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, it Will not surprise you, I do not have
     3        any cross-examination of this witness.
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     5   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Thank you. Thank you, Mrs. Druce.
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     7                       (The witness withdrew)
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     9   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes?
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    11   MS. STEEL:  There is something that I wanted to bring up in
    12        respect of -- I will sit down until I have found the
    13        relevant pages . Something that cropped up with Mr. North
    14        last week, the 25 per cent of salmonella burden and whether
    15        it had been put to Professor Jackson.
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    17        On day 81, page 53, I do not know whether this finally got
    18        put in the end, but when you were asking questions about
    19        this I did actually say -- you asked:  "Is it the meat
    20        ground down or whatever they do to it but before actually
         formed?"  I said:  "Stripped off the bones and all that
    22        kind of thing, I think, before the actual Nuggets are
    23        formed".
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    25   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think my recollection a day or two ago when
    26        he was giving evidence was faulty.  I think you were
    27        putting that the burden was actually in the pieces of meat
    28        when they lay in whichever container after being stripped
    29        from the bones of the bird but before the next stage of
    30        processing started.
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    32   MS. STEEL:  Right.  The other thing was, there was concern that
    33        it had not been put to Dr. Pattison.  I happen to notice at
    34        the weekend that on day 89 -----
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    36   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Just let me make a note of it.  Yes?
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    38   MS. STEEL:  Day 89, page 64, line 59, you asked Dr. Pattison if
    39        he remembered if he remembered what he had told Mr. North
    40        and he said:  "The 25 per cent refers to an isolation rate
         of samples of deboned meat at the end of our process.  In
    42        other words" -- I did think there was a reference to
    43        McNuggets as well, there may be, but he does say it refers
    44        to the samples of deboned meat anyway.
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    46   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, I think I might have been thrown by the
    47        words "at the end of our process" which would have taken me
    48        on to the food as it went off to Golden West, but there we
    49        are.  At the moment I am treating it as being Mr. North's
    50        recollection, that it was in the pieces of deboned meat and 
    51        there not being any evidence that it was meant to say in 
    52        the McNuggets or final processed meat.  It may well be that 
    53        the part you quoted from day 89, despite the words "at the
    54        end of our process" by reference to deboned meat indicates
    55        the meaning which you bat for.
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    57   MS. STEEL:  Right.  I will check that again later anyway.
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    59   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Now what I suggest is we adjourn now, unless
    60        there is something we must deal with, until we start with