Day 109 - 28 Mar 95 - Page 19
1 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I think that is the difficulty.
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3 MR. RAMPTON: That, your Lordship, was the difficulty.
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5 MR. JUSTICE BELL: We withdrew Dr. Pattison about it ----
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7 THE WITNESS: But I did speak to Dr. Potter, who is the head of
8 the Farm Animals Department, on Friday ----
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10 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I am sorry, I have not stopped you saying on
11 a large number of occasions what people have told you.
12 I will actually have to ignore it when I come to make a
13 decision because it is hearsay evidence and not admissible.
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15 THE WITNESS: I wanted to say that he was happy for me to talk
16 generally, but I did not feel ----
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18 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I would have thought -- correct me if I am
19 wrong -- that some people might be a little disconcerted if
20 either you or Dr. Pattison produced a copy to support your
21 evidence one way or another. It was because I think people
22 appreciated that that Dr. Pattison was impressed about it.
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24 I think it is highly unlikely that its contents will, at
25 the end of the day, decide the matter one way or another in
26 my mind, with the abundance of evidence we have. Unless it
27 is absolutely vital to produce it, I would rather leave it
28 there and, therefore, have no further comment on it because
29 that is but another way of saying what it says.
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31 MS. STEEL: Is it possible, without going into any detail
32 whatsoever, just to say whether that would be the only
33 aspect in which a typical broiler farm would not?
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35 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I would rather leave it at this:
36 Dr. Pattison has expressed a view that they could come
37 within the recommendations, if I remember his evidence
38 correctly. That was the way it was rather left, and you
39 would say, no, that is not so?
40 A. Yes.
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42 Q. I think it is going to be of limited effect to my final
43 decision to consider whether in or about 1989 or 1990 what
44 I make of the practices as they were at Sun Valley, or
45 likely to be, to look at what FAWK is recommending in
46 1995. You are not to read anything into that either for or
47 against your case. It is just a statement for your
48 approach.
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50 THE WITNESS: This was the freedom food?
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52 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No, the present suggestions, which are but in
53 draft and sent to Dr. Pattison and sent to you, as
54 I understand it, as part of a consultation process?
55 A. Yes.
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57 MS. STEEL: I am not really sure what I have left.
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59 MR. JUSTICE BELL: We will have a five minute break.
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