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     1        impression by speaking to people in the industry -- well,
     2        vets and people qualified inspecting as qualified people in
     3        slaughter houses, and it seems to me that it is a difficult
     4        thing to ascertain just from looking at it.  I would not
     5        rely on that.  From the different stories I have heard, and
     6        the fact that people admit it is a difficult thing to judge
     7        for certain, I would think that was an unreliable thing,
     8        just the visual look, and that the speed of a line of
     9        chickens passing by at, I think, more than one second I
    10        would not rely on it, no.
    11
    12   Q.   In fact, I think there is a reference on page 260 of the
    13        bundle.
    14        A.  Of ----
    15
    16   Q.   Of the orange bundle.
    17        A. Which number?
    18
    19   Q.   It would be in tab C.
    20        A.  Yes.
    21
    22   Q.   In the first column, this is paper by Dr. Gregory, "Humane
    23        Slaughter", concerned with the effectiveness of captive
    24        bolt stunning in cattle and electric stunning in sheep,
    25        pigs, calves and poultry, which was published in 1991.  In
    26        the first column on that page it is entitled, "Assessing
    27        the effectiveness of a stun".
    28        A.  In which ----
    29
    30   Q.   The first column on page 260.
    31        A.  200 and ----
    32
    33   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  60.
    34        A.  Yes.  Which bit were you----
    35
    36   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I have read that, so you need not take --
    37        there we are.  I have heard Dr. Gregory's evidence of the
    38        test he made.  I will just have to consider all the
    39        evidence in relation to this.
    40
    MS. STEEL:  Yes, that was in reference to the point about MAFF
    42        making their decisions on the basis of visual observations
    43        rather than any other point.
    44
    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.
    46
    47   MS. STEEL:  While we have got this, is there anything else on
    48        slaughter you wanted to add?
    49        A.  I would just like to draw attention to -- it is in
    50        another of Dr. Gregory and Mr. Wotton's papers.  This is 
    51        the earlier one that I have here, "Effect of Slaughter on 
    52        the Spontaneous and Evoked Activity of the Brain", received 
    53        for publication April 1985.  It is British Poultry Science
    54        ----
    55
    56   MS. STEEL:  It is tab L.
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What date is yours?
    59        A.  1986.
    60