Day 109 - 28 Mar 95 - Page 09
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2 MR. MORRIS: That is paragraph 36.
3 A. Yes. I was surprised when we learned that cull pens
4 were put for turkey but, perhaps, we are not discussing
5 turkeys now because this -----
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7 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No, at the end of the day, this case is about
8 the leaflet and, for better or worse, I have ruled that
9 turkeys are out so far as that is concerned.
10 A. Yes.
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12 MS. STEEL: But, in terms of transporting, for example, if a
13 bird received a crushed head -----
14 A. Obviously, that would be completely contrary to any
15 law, code or advice, yes, completely.
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17 Q. If that happened on catching at farms?
18 A. Yes, it should, but it should be -- it should never
19 happen and a bird should be culled if it did happen at the
20 loading point, yes, the catching point.
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22 Q. I do not know if you see there is anything on transport I
23 have not asked about?
24 A. No, I do not think so.
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26 Q. Going on to slaughter, do you have any comment to make on
27 the omission from both Dr. Gregory's and Dr. Pattison's
28 statement of the time span between stun and neck cut, the
29 neck cutting stall, and also the stunning current that was
30 used?
31 A. Yes, I was frankly surprised by the whole report
32 because I have always held Dr. Gregory in great -- had
33 great respect for his research. In fact, I have consulted
34 him on more than one occasion when preparing our fact
35 sheets to make quite sure that I have not made any mistakes
36 or omissions, and he has helped me with that.
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38 I am thinking, for instance, of these two papers,
39 "The Effect of Slaughter on the Spontaneous and Evoked
40 activity of the Brain" and "Humane Slaughter", they point
41 out, really, all the things that were happening at Sun
42 Valley were contrary to his usual advice. I was surprised
43 that he was not more hard on the proceedings at Sun Valley
44 which included very low, well, prestun shocks, as we know,
45 very low milliamps, a lack of cutting very often one
46 carotid artery, let alone both, masking sentiency through
47 cutting the spinal chord and decapitation of birds which
48 had missed all the correct processes which, contrary to
49 what people think, does not bring instantaneous brain death
50 by any means -- 50 seconds I think they are suspected of
51 being conscious for -- and it seemed to me a catalogue of
52 all the things that Dr. Gregory recommended against and has
53 done in many, many published papers, so I was surprised,
54 yes.
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56 Q. In terms of the specific omissions about the time span
57 between those two, the stun and things like that, are they
58 factors that are important to know when ---
59 A. Yes, because if the ----
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