Day 108 - 27 Mar 95 - Page 14

     
     1        also going, even if you have not got a formal
     2        qualification, it is also through studying scientific
     3        literature and the available information produced both by
     4        the industry and the other welfare bodies.
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     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think I should see the film because
     7        I cannot possibly reach a view about it, and my inclination
     8        would be to let you go ahead anyway.  Whether at the end of
     9        the day I think the film has a status which enables to help
    10        me, or whether it turns out that it is just a vivid
    11        illustration of some point which Mrs. Druce wants to make,
    12        I will have to wait and see.
    13
    14   MR. RAMPTON:  That may be different.  Again, it is not a
    15        technical objection.  Your Lordship will make up your
    16        Lordship's mind at the end of the case whether it has any
    17        value of evidence.  In my submission, at the moment, it
    18        plainly does not.  The real question is this, if the
    19        Defendants are intending to rely on the contents of this
    20        film, which are not made by Mrs. Druce, as opposed to the
         evidence which Mrs. Druce herself can give your Lordship
    22        from her own direct experience or learning, then they would
    23        need to, as it were, constitute this as evidence either by
    24        but putting a Civil Evidence Act notice on it, in which
    25        case I shall immediately serve a counter notice or by
    26        calling the people who made it to testify.
    27
    28   MS. STEEL:  It is not as opposed to, it is in support of the
    29        evidence that she also  -----
    30
    31   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think I ought to see the film.  You can ask
    32        Mrs. Druce questions about it.  What you should not assume
    33        is that because I have heard someone who may have
    34        particular qualifications say something on the sound track
    35        of the video, I am taking that as evidence, do you
    36        understand?
    37
    38   MS. STEEL: Yes, okay.  Can it be shown on the large video
    39        please.
    40
    MR. JUSTICE BELL:  How long does it take?
    42
    43   MR. RAMPTON:  33 minutes.
    44
    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  33?
    46
    47   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes.
    48
    49   MS. STEEL: While it is being set up there was one thing I was
    50        going to ask.  Although your statement says you have been 
    51        gathering information on the broiler industry since 1984, 
    52        prior to that time, have you had any dealings with poultry 
    53        and, if so, can you explain what they were?
    54        A.  Well, prior to 1984 it was solely the battery hen and
    55        I bought many and reared them in my own garden.
    56
    57   Q.   Your experience of the poultry industry goes back ----
    58
    59   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You are saying batteries predominantly since
    60        the 1970s and then while that, no doubt, has continued,