Day 102 - 13 Mar 95 - Page 24


     
     1        growers.
     2
     3   MS. STEEL:  If you heard that conditions on a farm were unusual
     4        or not up to scratch, would you make a point of going down
     5        to visit that farm?
     6        A.  I might do; it would depend on the circumstances.  It
     7        depends what you mean by "up to scratch".
     8
     9   Q.   Up to the standards that you say Sun Valley want to see.
    10        A.  Well, certainly, I mean, if it was something in my
    11        specific area of responsibility, I would probably go.  If
    12        it was to do with building structure, design or
    13        maintenance, then I probably would not.
    14
    15   Q.   But you have never been to the place where they keep them
    16        in the loft?
    17        A.  Yes, I have been to that farm in the past.
    18
    19   Q.   You have not seen the catching?
    20        A.  I have not seen the catching.
    21
    22   Q.   You did not think to ask about that?
    23        A.  I did not ask at the time.
    24
    25   Q.   Was Gumboro disease more frequent or worse in the earth
    26        floored sheds?
    27        A.  No, it was not.  There was very little difference
    28        between earth floors and concrete floors.  It was more farm
    29        related and it happened regardless of whether they were new
    30        farms or old farms.
    31
    32   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Which way did it work?
    33        A.  Well, it -----
    34
    35   Q.   Not the floors, I suppose that is fairly obvious,
    36        but -- I see.  It was farm related, but was there any
    37        particular feature which seemed to go with it?
    38        A.  No, we could never relate it to either building design,
    39        building age, concrete or earth floors.  In fact, there was
    40        one farmer who had both concrete and earth floors on his
    41        farm, and the Gumboro was actually in the newer house with
    42        the concrete floor -- it was actually worse in the newer
    43        house.  It was rather frustrating that we could not
    44        actually relate it to building design.
    45
    46   MS. STEEL:   Managers do not have to be present, do they, during
    47        catching?
    48        A.  The farm -- it is the farm manager's responsibility
    49        ultimately to ensure that catching is done to the standards
    50        required.  They are not always present during the whole 
    51        time, but I think you will find that they are generally 
    52        around during the catching process. 
    53
    54   Q.   When you say "generally around", does that mean -- I mean,
    55        the managers live on the farms, do they not?
    56        A.  They live on the site.  They are generally available.
    57        They usually go into the houses at the beginning of the
    58        catch.  They usually go back in at various stages during
    59        the catch.  It is their responsibility to sign the document
    60        at the end that we referred to a little while ago, to say

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