Day 098 - 07 Mar 95 - Page 07

     
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     2   Q.   Where would that be?
     3        A.  Obviously, the stunning.
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     5   Q.   The where?
     6        A.  Stunning.
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     8   Q.   The stunning pen?
     9        A.  That is done singularly.  I am just trying to think
    10        now.  Well, various places dotted along the line towards
    11        the end where they trim a lot of fat off.
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    13   Q.   Sorry, there is only one stunning pen like at Jarrets?
    14        A.  Yes.
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    16   Q.   Sorry, you did say somewhere else?
    17        A.  Well, I mean, various points along the line.
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    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  He said various points.
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    MR. MORRIS:  Let us just see what you said before.  You said the
    22        "dehiding" area is one of the critical points in the whole
    23        process in terms of contamination, yes?  How high up is the
    24        line above, or how does the line work in terms of the
    25        workers that are working on dehiding?  Are the carcasses
    26        level with them, just turns up in front of them?
    27        A.  Actually, the people doing the dehiding are on a kind
    28        of up and down platform so that they can start the dehiding
    29        at the top of the back legs, effectively, of the carcass,
    30        and then this moves down whilst they are dehiding.
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    32   Q.   So the line is above a certain height, people can move
    33        underneath the line if they wanted to?
    34        A.  Yes, I mean -----
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    36   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The front hooves of the animal, how far are
    37        they above the ground?
    38        A.  Depending on the size of the animal, two or three feet,
    39        four feet maybe.
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    Q.   So the shackles are very considerably above head height to
    42        a man?
    43        A.  Yes.
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    45   MR. MORRIS:  So it is possible, for example, to transport waste
    46        material, the head or something, under the line if you need
    47        to to take it somewhere.  It is possible to cross the line
    48        at that -----
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    50   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You just walk around the carcass? 
    51        A.  Yes, it is possible.  It is not, you know, it is not 
    52        really allowed, obviously, for safety reasons but there are 
    53        certain points where you can cross the line, yes.
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    55   MR. MORRIS:  So does that happen then from time to time?
    56        A.  What?
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    58   Q.   That people move across the line when they need to?
    59        A.  There is one point on the line that you can cross it
    60        which is before the hide is removed.  If you looked on this