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     1        yes.  Does the situation get worse -- that does not mean
     2        that.
     3
     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You see, one of the problems, Mr. Morris,
     5        with this is there are so many possibilities.  If one looks
     6        at the scheme of it, it seems to, at least 02A and O2B,
     7        advance in time.  It may be, because I do not know what
     8        "trained employees" means -- please listen to me.
     9
    10   MR. MORRIS:  Sorry, yes.
    11
    12   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I do not know what "trained employees"
    13        means.  "Equipment disassembly", one can envisage what that
    14        might mean.  On the construction of the document you would
    15        urge upon me it has pretty poor marks.  But after that we
    16        get some "pre-op swabs" and then we get "facility
    17        sanitation".  Then we get things like "surface germicide",
    18        "mid-shift clean" and "equipment swabs".  For all I know,
    19        some of those refer to cleaning the equipment after it has
    20        been disassembled.
    21
    22   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.
    23
    24   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  So, for all I know again, even if you get 80
    25        or 90 per cent noncompliance on equipment disassembly, if
    26        you get no comments at all on your pre-op swabs, you get
    27        some on your facility sanitation, but you get no comments
    28        on your surface germicide and you get no comment on your
    29        equipment swabs and equipment swabs again, this may mean
    30        that what might appear to be a poor mark on equipment
    31        disassembly has just faded into insignificance.  For all
    32        I know, US DA has a software programme which eliminates, or
    33        virtually eliminates, equipment disassembly provided you do
    34        well on your pre-op swabs.  But the fact is I just do not
    35        know -- do you understand the problem?
    36
    37   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.
    38
    39   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  So by all means -- what I suggest is you do
    40        not go through all the figures.
    41
    42   MR. MORRIS:  No.
    43
    44   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Get whatever you can from Dr. Gomez Gonzalez
    45        about how the system works.  If you want to talk to
    46        Ms. Steel about something, do it now.
    47
    48   MR. MORRIS (To the witness):  If we go to page 57?
    49        A.  Yes.
    50 
    51   Q.   "The receiving and control of incoming products materials", 
    52        what is that? 
    53        A.  When the plants receive, just like I explained
    54        yesterday, raw materials, in this case meat, that is what
    55        it means.
    56
    57   Q.   Right.
    58        A.  But it will cover labelling, weight, temperatures, the
    59        conditions and, obviously, and so obviously include
    60        sanitary conditions of the containers.