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     1        children at home because they wished to avoid some of this
     2        pester power.  I think the point I was trying to make was
     3        that this pie chart says to me that there is influence
     4        except in six per cent of cases.
     5
     6        What I am also saying, I am not saying that the
     7        influence -- what I am trying to say is that this
     8        particular pie charts relates to children on shopping
     9        trips, but what I am also adding to that is, that is not
    10        the only way in which influence occurs; it is not just on
    11        the shopping trip.  Yes, that is a major influence, if
    12        mothers take their children, but it is not the only one.
    13
    14   MR. RAMPTON:  I will just finish, if I may, reading this
    15        document, or the part I want to read, on page 7: "As figure
    16        1 illustrates, 15 per cent of mothers claim that their
    17        children had a large influence on the type of food items
    18        bought."   Is "large", Ms. Dibb, in your mind a word which
    19        has a different meaning from the word "major", which was
    20        the one you used?
    21        A.  I used the word "major" in, I think, a broader sense
    22        than just "large" to mean a significant one.  As you see
    23        there, if you read on the rest of the sentence:  "A further
    24        33 per cent claimed that their children had a fair amount
    25        of influence".  Again, that is ----
    26
    27   Q.   Making less -- sorry?
    28        A.  - a significant amount of influence.
    29
    30   Q.   Significant.  So, your explanation is that you intended
    31        "major" to mean the same as "significant"; is that right?
    32        A.  You said I did not mean -- I mean, I do think that it
    33        has -- I meant "significant" in the sense that it is a
    34        considerable influence.  That degree of influence may be
    35        perceived as being of greater or lesser extent, but
    36        "influence" was exerted in 94 per cent, if one adds up all
    37        of that and excludes the no influence at all.
    38
    39   Q.   Can we turn then back in this file to one of your early
    40        references, but before I tell you where to go, I would like
    41        to ask you this:  To what extent, in your view, is
    42        advertising -- let me start again:  Whether or not we may
    43        agree about the extent of children's influence on
    44        households food purchases, to what extent, in your view, is
    45        advertising to children a factor in the influence which
    46        children bring to bear on household food purchases?
    47        A.  Again it is a significant influence, in my opinion.
    48
    49   Q.   As greater ---?
    50        A.  There are other influences and one has to look at 
    51        indirect influences; advertising effects on peers as well 
    52        as on children directly.  As I make clear, it is a very 
    53        complex web of interacting factors.
    54
    55   Q.   The reason, Ms. Dibb, that my question was specific, and
    56        that it related to advertising targeted at children is
    57        this, that the issue in this case, or the principal issue
    58        in this part of the case, is what is the effect of
    59        McDonald's children's advertising on children; do you
    60        understand that?

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