Day 063 - 07 Dec 94 - Page 28

     
     1   Q.   Just while I am on the subject, craft paper.  Do you know
     2        what that is?  That is in the recycled percentage.  What is
     3        craft paper?
     4        A.  Craft paper -- this is actually a strange one.
     5        I thought that was unrecycled paper.  Craft paper is
     6        unbleached brown paper.
     7
     8   Q.   It is not recycled?
     9        A.  To my knowledge not, but I have probably in a case like
    10        that where there was an uncertainty that I could not find
    11        that quickly.  I have followed it up with a call:  "Why
    12        have you written this down?" or "What does that mean?"
    13        I may have actually have got a craft paper -- craft is just
    14        a way of manufacturing paper.
    15
    16   Q.   I see.  Yes, on that same page, 47, if we go across the
    17        page, it says "bleached craft 50 grammes" under material
    18        packaging by item.
    19        A.  Yes.
    20
    Q.   So, some craft is bleached and some craft is unbleached?
    22        A.  Yes.
    23
    24   Q.   If we just go back to the Lin Pac one on page 79 -----
    25
    26   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  So it looks as if the top one where they have
    27        not written in paper, the 80 gramme is paper as well.  Then
    28        you get the very heavy gramme one at the bottom which is a
    29        box, and that is 10 per cent post-industrial and 90 per
    30        cent post-consumer?
    31        A.  You are talking about page 47 still?
    32
    33   Q.   Yes.
    34        A.  Yes.
    35
    36   MR. MORRIS:  Sorry, I missed all that.  I am on the wrong page.
    37        So if we move on to 79, that is Lin Pac, are you
    38        extrapolating that the 0 per cent recycled applies, it
    39        therefore means it is not corrugated or do you know for a
    40        fact?
         A.  I know for a fact.
    42
    43   Q.   Because the acrylic tape amount seems to be the same for
    44        all of them, the method of sealing?
    45        A.  Yes.
    46
    47   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That would hardly be surprising, would it?
    48        That just happens to be the kind of tape they have
    49        purchased for the purpose of sealing up their packaging of
    50        various kinds? 
    51        A.  Yes. 
    52 
    53   MR. MORRIS:  All the ones over the page on page 80, the 0 per
    54        cent, you are saying they are not corrugated -- you know
    55        that for a fact?
    56        A.  Yes.
    57
    58   Q.   But it is still a substantial amount of paper used in
    59        transportation packaging, yes?  It is a fifth of the weight
    60        of the corrugated?