Day 063 - 07 Dec 94 - Page 25

     
     1   Q.   But the suppliers have not said:  "Oh, there is no need to
     2        worry about that; none of us are using chlorine bleaching.
     3        We switched from that ages ago anyway".  It is being looked
     4        into?
     5        A.  It is being looked into, yes.
     6
     7   MR. MORRIS:  Do you know roughly, not to the month but roughly,
     8        when Enso-Gutzeit stopped using chlorine?
     9        A.  No.
    10
    11   Q.   They now use elementary -- sorry, a derivative?
    12        A.  I thought they used mixes based on whatever the
    13        supplier -- the customer, requires.  It depends on the
    14        whiteness required.  At this point in time chlorine or
    15        chlorine based bleaching still gets the whitest results.
    16
    17   Q.   McDonald's has not got a specification on that?  Say, for
    18        example, Enso-Gutzeit would be asked to look into
    19        alternatives to its ---
    20        A.  As I said earlier ---
    21
    22   Q.   -- use?
    23        A.  -- we are testing with alternatives and Enso-Gutzeit is
    24        involved in that, but I am not aware of the exact results
    25        because that has not been a project of mine.
    26
    27   Q.   So the produce for McDonald's of Enso-Gutzeit at the moment
    28        still uses chlorine derivatives?
    29        A.  I think they still use ---
    30
    31   Q.   In general?
    32        A.  -- various mixes.  I would not know exactly which.
    33
    34   Q.   The last thing is just the documents that we were given --
    35        if I could just whip through this quickly?  This is
    36        transport packaging, is it not?
    37
    38   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  How many bundles of copies are there?
    39
    40   THE WITNESS:  Could I have my copy back because I had it
         earlier.
    42
    43   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If there is one for me and one for Mr. Van
    44        Erp?  I think there is just room for them in the back of
    45        the bundle, yellow III.
    46
    47   MR. MORRIS:  Yellow III.  Behind Mr. Van Erp?
    48
    49   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.
    50 
    51   MR. MORRIS (To the witness):  Just very briefly, this describes 
    52        transport packaging, does it not, not the individual items? 
    53        A.  No, as I explained yesterday, the first part of the
    54        table explains the packaging itself.
    55
    56   Q.   Yes.
    57        A.  The packaging item description refers to the packaging
    58        item itself, i.e. a cup for a McNugget box in my top page.
    59        Then the second part of the table is the actual transport
    60        packaging description and the third part is the pallet