Day 063 - 07 Dec 94 - Page 19

     
     1        presentational capacities.
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     3   Q.   There are countries in Europe who do use the wrap, though,
     4        are there not?
     5        A.  There are some countries who use the wrap that is
     6        mainly cost based.
     7
     8   Q.   In fact, in the UK they use wraps for the smaller
     9        sandwiches, do they not?
    10        A.  Yes.
    11
    12   Q.   The only question I have to ask you is that when it says:
    13         "Foam produces four times more solid waste (by volume)
    14        than the new wraps", does that mean that a foam carton
    15        compared to a wrap is four times the volume?
    16        A.  I would think so.
    17
    18   Q.   Is that what they are saying?
    19        A.  The reason why that is said so is because a wrap
    20        is  ---
    21
    22   Q.   Compacted?
    23        A.  -- compacted into a ball and, therefore, it takes a
    24        volume.  Normally, a wrap obviously would not take up any
    25        volume if it is flattened out.
    26
    27   Q.   I would have thought it would have been much greater than
    28        four times the volume?
    29        A.  Yes, that is why I am saying it is probably, it is
    30        generally thrown away, disposed of, not as a piece of paper
    31        a, wrap like that -- no, it is ---
    32
    33   Q.   Screwed up?
    34        A.  -- it is scrolled up and then it takes up a lot more
    35        volume than actually the paper itself.
    36
    37   Q.   The paper itself would be very, very little volume, would
    38        it not, just virtually like an A4 sheet of paper or
    39        something?
    40        A.  Yes, but that is why it is only four times.
    41
    42   Q.   So, in fact, if we just look at the actual raw material
    43        used, the volume would be much greater than four times.
    44
    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If you are going to equate that, you have to
    46        turn your clam shell back into the original flat
    47        polystyrene before it was moulded, have you not?  The fact
    48        is when they are thrown away neither of them is flat any
    49        longer and we are thinking of waste.
    50 
    51   MR. MORRIS:  Yes, but in terms of landfill, the paper does not 
    52        keep its shape in landfill, it squashes, whereas ----- 
    53        A.  So does the polystyrene.
    54
    55   Q.   Yes, but polystyrene does not disintegrate; it stays there
    56        forever?
    57        A.  So does paper.
    58
    59   Q.   Paper can decompose, can it not?
    60        A.  It can but it does not in general.