Day 063 - 07 Dec 94 - Page 18

     
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     2   MR. RAMPTON:  I was only going to say maybe quarter of an hour
     3        would be better and then we can -----
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     5   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Would you like to have a look at that at the
     6        same time?  I was going to suggest we might look at that
     7        later.
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     9   MR. RAMPTON:  If your Lordship's said 12 o'clock, it does not
    10        take long.
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    12   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  12 o'clock, yes.
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    14                            (Short Adjournment)
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    16   MR. MORRIS:  We might as well go to the EDF McDonald's report.
    17        It is volume pink IV tab 5, internal 39 of No. 223.  We
    18        have looked at this before in some detail.  If you look at
    19        the bottom of the page on the right-hand side it compares
    20        polystyrene with wraps in terms of energy, use, air
         emissions, waterbornes wastes and solid waste.  The solid
    22        waste has implications for landfills, does it not?
    23        A.  Yes.
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    25   Q.   It says it is "four times more solid waste (by volume) than
    26        new wraps".
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    28   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, Mr. Morris has read it before and we all
    29        have to, but I wonder whether the witness should be given
    30        it.  He might have seen it once before in his life, I do
    31        not know.
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    33   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  Have you seen it before?
    34        A.  Yes, I have.
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    36   MR. RAMPTON:  He might be given the opportunity to remind
    37        himself of the whole of the right hand column on page 223.
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    39   MR. MORRIS:  Just have a read of that.
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    MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  Just read it through to yourself,
    42        Mr. Van Erp.
    43        A.  OK.
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    45   MR. MORRIS:  On page 40 underneath the "Solid Waste" comment, it
    46        says that even if you have a substantial recycling rate for
    47        polystyrene foam of 50 per cent "environmental consequences
    48        in all categories are still considerably lower for the new
    49        wraps"?
    50        A.  Yes. 
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    52   Q.   So McDonald's does recognise, does it not, the 
    53        environmental consequences for continuing to use
    54        polystyrene which, of course, they have now phased out in
    55        any case in the States?
    56        A.  Yes, they have made the comparison between foam clam
    57        shells and wraps.  Here in Europe the comparison has been
    58        mainly between a paperboard clam shell and the foam clam
    59        shell because the wrap was found here to be not comparable
    60        in insulating capacities, in operational capacities and in