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     1        A.  It was the responsibility of the German Purchasing
     2        Department, not the UK department.
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     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You know, I think we have got a bit bogged
     5        down, quite frankly, on this.  You have quite a lot of
     6        material; you can comment on whether I should attach any
     7        weight to it or not.  You are going to say there are gaps
     8        in the material and that McDonald's have not provided any
     9        evidence or satisfactory evidence in relation to that.  We
    10        are in danger of just going through paragraph 23 again.
    11
    12   MS. STEEL:  I have to say I am utterly confused now by the
    13        answer he has given.
    14
    15   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I do not think you would be losing an
    16        opportunity to make a point if you stopped there.  I think
    17        you could go around it again several times and you would
    18        not be any further forward.
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    20   MS. STEEL:   There is just one point that I wanted to ask you
         about, it is about the office stationery.  There was no
    22        recycled content before 1990, was there, in the office
    23        stationery?
    24        A.  I do not think so.  I honestly do not know.  I am not
    25        responsible (and nor is the Purchasing Department) for
    26        office stationery, but the way it reads here, I would say
    27        not.
    28
    29   Q.   Right, and Mr. Rampton, when he was asking you questions,
    30        asked you why you should bother changing your office
    31        stationery to recycled because there is no public benefit
    32        for McDonald's in doing it?
    33        A.  He did.
    34
    35   Q.   Yes, and you said there was not any public benefit?
    36        A.  I do not know that I said that.  He certainly asked me
    37        that.
    38
    39   Q.   He asked you that.  He said:   "Why do this?  This is an
    40        internal thing.  There is no public benefit for McDonald's
         in doing it".  You said:  "No, there is not, but we realise
    42        that a lot of waste can be generated in offices especially
    43        around such machines as photocopiers.  We also realise that
    44        there was not a need to use virgin paper for the stationery
    45        in offices, but recycled paper is more than adequate so we
    46        decided to make the change".
    47        A.  OK.
    48
    49   Q.   Then you were asked, had you advertised to the public that
    50        you were using recycled paper in your offices?  You said, 
    51        no, not to your knowledge? 
    52        A.  Not to my knowledge. 
    53
    54   Q.   Right but, in fact, you have advertised that to the public,
    55        have you not?
    56        A.  I do not know.  I have told you "not to my knowledge".
    57
    58   Q.   OK.  If you could turn to document No. 39 in pink bundle V?
    59        A.  Yes.
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