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     1        company, I take it?
     2        A.  Yes.
     3
     4   Q.   Do you have any perception of your employees' attitudes and
     5        wishes so far as animal welfare is concerned, generally
     6        speaking, I mean?
     7        A.  Employees throughout the company or in the specific
     8        departments that I am responsible for?
     9
    10   Q.   Just generally speaking, I wondered if you had any
    11        perception and, if so, what it was based on?
    12        A.  Most of the people I would talk to on this subject have
    13         -- they are caring people, they really are.
    14
    15   Q.   Could you, please, retrieve from the bookshelves behind you
    16        a pink spined file No. XI subtitled Rearing and Slaughter.
    17
    18   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Is it XI or IX?
    19
    20   MR. RAMPTON:  I am terribly sorry, it is IX.
    21
    22   MS. STEEL:   Can I just make an observation?  I do not
    23        particularly want to object to this questioning, but I
    24        would like to point out it is not actually in Mr. Oakley's
    25        statement.
    26
    27   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, let us see where we go to.
    28
    29   MS. STEEL:  It is only because Mr. Rampton always objects when
    30        we do that kind of thing.
    31
    32   MR. RAMPTON:  Tit for tat.  (To the witness):  Could you,
    33        please, turn, Mr. Oakley, to tab 1 of this file?
    34        A.  Yes, I have it.
    35
    36   Q.   Do you see there a document headed "Animal Welfare and
    37        Husbandry - McDonald's position"?
    38        A.  Yes.
    39
    40   Q.   Would you turn over, please, to the next page and we see,
         maybe it is part of the same document, I do not know,
    42        another page anyway, headed "Animal Welfare and Husbandry -
    43        Summary of supplier positions".  Then there is beef McKey,
    44        chicken Sun Valley and then some words on the next page
    45        about eggs?
    46        A.  Yes.
    47
    48   Q.   Oasters.  Then finally bacon and fish on the last page.
    49        Are you able to tell us (because there is not one on it)
    50        roughly speaking the date of this document? 
    51        A.  The date of this document? 
    52 
    53   Q.   Yes.  Do you have any idea?
    54        A.  I think the first document you have referred to, the
    55        "McDonald's Position", that was first published,
    56        I believe, two years ago in the McDonald's facts book.
    57
    58   Q.   If that be so, let us say, 1992, do we infer from that that
    59        was the first time that McDonald's had thought about animal
    60        welfare?