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     1   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Have you actually prepared some notes?
     2        A.  Yes, I have some notes following receipt of that.
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     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  There is absolutely no reason why you should
     5        not have those in the witness box; it is a practice which
     6        other witnesses, for instance, Ms. Dibb, as I recall, did.
     7
     8   MR. RAMPTON:  Where would we find your notes?
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    10   THE WITNESS:  There is a box next to Mrs. Brinley-Codd there
    11        which has the note in.
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    13   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You are not being asked to disclose them any
    14        more than Ms. Dibb were; they are just a sort of aide
    15        memoir to your evidence.
    16
    17   THE WITNESS:  It is a black edged thing there.  It is the black
    18        edged copy.  Also, it would be helpful if I might have a
    19        copy of Mr. Theo Hopkins's actual notes because then I can
    20        compare my notes against his.
    21
    22   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If you look at blue volume 1B, pale blue, if
    23        you look in section C of pale blue volume at No. 4?
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    25   THE WITNESS:  Section C is Vicki Caroll.
    26
    27   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No.  C, and then 4.  I think Ms. Carroll is
    28        1.
    29
    30   THE WITNESS:  Could I be referred to the actual page, please?
    31
    32   MS. STEEL:   Page 4, I think it was.
    33
    34   THE WITNESS:  I have found the statement.
    35
    36   MR. MORRIS:  I have, if it helps the court, the Helsinki Report
    37        from 1993, the official report.  I will read it directly
    38        from the report, on page 26 of the report, resolution H2.
    39        It is the second one, the quote is identical:
    40        ^
         "Biological diversity means the variability among living
    42        organisms from all sources including, inter alia,
    43        terrestrial, marine and other aquatic ecosystems and
    44        ecological complexes of which they are part.  This
    45        includes diversity within species, between species, and of
    46        ecosystems".
    47
    48        Is it "echo systems" or "ecosystems"?
    49        A.  However you would like to pronounce it.
    50 
    51   Q.   The first quote was:  "Forest resources and forest land 
    52        should be sustainably managed to meet the social, economic, 
    53        ecological, cultural and spiritual needs of the present and
    54        future generations".
    55        A.  My Lord, that statement which appears in Mr. Hopkins's
    56        report and is a direct quotation from the Helsinki, I would
    57        have said, is the current wisdom on this subject.  My only
    58        point, I think, and I see this in my notes here, is that
    59        ecological sustainability was seldom, if ever, on the
    60        agenda of either government or industrial organisations