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1 MR. MORRIS: The first quote I read out from the Helsinki
2 Resolutions 1993 about sustainable management meeting the
3 social, economic, ecological, cultural and spiritual needs
4 of present and future generations, is that something which
5 is in line with the United Nations?
6 A. Yes, it is. In fact, that phraseology, I think, was
7 adopted with some minor variation when the UN's CSD met.
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9 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, might I intervene -- I think I am right
10 but maybe I am not and I am not often not -- I cannot find
11 any volume of references for Mr. Hopkins; it may be that
12 there is not one.
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14 MR. MORRIS: They were all brought to court and left in court,
15 in fact. They are here behind -- I do not know if we ever
16 actually did a list or anything.
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18 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No. Are they actually in your original
19 documents here and there, or is this a separate and new
20 bundle?
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22 MS. STEEL: I think the thing is they are absolutely huge
23 documents and it was not possible to copy them. We did
24 tell the Plaintiffs if they wanted to look at them they
25 were here in court.
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27 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I am only enquiring at the moment what form
28 they are in at the moment.
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30 MR. MORRIS: They are just here in the originals. What we could
31 do, may be, is to photocopy the front pages as a reference
32 and list them.
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34 THE WITNESS: My Lord, if it is any help, the statement that
35 Mr. Morris read out the, the last statement he read out, is
36 close to the point of definition that I think most of us
37 would accept. What I am really saying is this definition
38 has been changing over the years, and the only recent
39 formation of the United Nations Commission on Sustainable
40 Development, one of the first things they have been
41 reviewing are the various definitions that have applied,
42 and there have been tropical definitions and there have
43 been definitions for temperate forest and so on. But
44 I think the one from the Helsinki forest was accepted
45 in India when a subsequent conference took place within
46 the last three months as being very close to the one which
47 would be recommended to UN CSD. It is an evolving problem,
48 that is the thing, but if Mr. Morris would read it again,
49 if he wants me to say "yes" or "no", I might be able to say
50 whether I think it is a good definition.
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52 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Read it slowly; apart from anything else, it
53 will get down almost word perfect on Case View then.
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55 MR. MORRIS: It is page 4 of Mr. Hopkins's statement.
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57 MR. RAMPTON: If Mr. Mallinson has some notes, given that we
58 have not the references themselves, which he has made on
59 Mr. Hopkins's statement, it might help, I do not know.
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