Day 040 - 21 Oct 94 - Page 27

     
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     2   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No.
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     4   MR. RAMPTON:  That was supposed to be a note of levity.  An
     5        80 kilogram man, if he ate Carrageenan at this sort of
     6        level, would be consuming?
     7        A.  When you say "this sort of level" you are referring
     8        to  -----
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    10   Q.   500 milligrams per kilogram of body weight per day would be
    11        eating, I think, 40,000 milligrams every day?
    12        A.  Which is 40 grammes.
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    14   Q.   Exactly.  Then it goes on "Degraded" -----
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    16   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Would you remind me again, how many grammes
    17        in an ounce?  I keep forgetting.
    18        A.  I put it rather another way:  I think if you had a
    19        relatively meagre sandwich made from two slices of white
    20        bread with only a little bit in them, that would probably
         be about 40 grammes.
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    23   Q.   Yes.  500 milligrammes is 1.1 lbs, is it not?  2.2 lbs in a
    24        kilo?
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    26   MR. RAMPTON:  So 500 grammes?
    27        A.  Is just close to a -----
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    29   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  So it is 1000th of?
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    31   MR. RAMPTON:  No.  It is 40 grammes.  So you divide 40 into 500,
    32        so it is whatever.
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    34   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is about a tenth of a lb, an ounce and a
    35        bit?
    36        A.  That order of magnitude.  It has been a long time since
    37        I used imperial units.
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    39   MR. RAMPTON:  In all events, Dr. Millstone, I know you are not a
    40        food analyst, but it would be a surprising thing if one
         found an ounce of native Carrageenan in a McDonald's milk
    42        shake, would it not?
    43        A.  It would indeed.
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    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You would be very worried if you did, would
    46        you not?
    47        A.  No, I am not sure -- I mean, it is used as a thickening
    48        agent.  I have never drunk a McDonald's shake but I have
    49        seen people do so and they do seem rather thick, so I would
    50        not care to hazard a guess as to the quantity of 
    51        Carrageenan in such a product. 
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    53   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I should say -- I am afraid the thought
    54        only occurred to me recently -- we ought to have and will
    55        try to get evidence of the actual levels of additives to be
    56        found in different McDonald's products in due course.
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    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think that might be helpful.  I did ask a
    59        question, Dr. Millstone, no doubt, you will remember fairly
    60        early on about volumes and quantities generally in an