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     1        Now, I have made it my business over the last 20 years to
     2        immerse myself as comprehensively as I can in the
     3        toxicological literature, seeking to address simultaneously
     4        both scientific and policy issues and the relationship
     5        between them.  I believe I have expertise that enables me
     6        to identify the ways in which toxicological experiments are
     7        normally conducted and the significance in the variation
     8        between different kinds of conduct and interpretation of
     9        toxicological results.
    10
    11        I believe I have expertise in comprehending and
    12        interpreting toxicological evidence, even though I am not
    13        formally trained.  I fully acknowledge that I am in this
    14        respect an autodidact, but I do not believe that my
    15        expertise is any the worse for that.
    16
    17   MR. RAMPTON:  As your Lordship will appreciate, the thrust or
    18        purport of my present question about this particular paper
    19        is not so much directed to the scientific value of what is
    20        written here.  To that extent, I am content that the paper
         with the support of Professor Walker should speak for
    22        itself.
    23
    24        What I am presently aiming at is what I perceive to be (and
    25        I make it clear) a certain lack of objectivity and care on
    26        the part of Dr. Millstone in the exercise of his so-called
    27        expertise in this court.
    28
    29   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, I appreciate that.  I have the answer
    30        I was searching for.  I am not necessarily concerned with
    31        whether someone has a degree or a qualification in
    32        something which may be a discipline called toxicology.
    33        I need to know the basis from which any particular witness
    34        purports to speak as an expert, unless it is absolutely
    35        obvious, because, for instance, they are a professor in
    36        biochemistry and nutrition.  Yes, thank you for explaining
    37        it.
    38
    39   MR. MORRIS:  One clarification on this particular report, it is
    40        dated 1982.  I do not know if that is the report which was
         originally being canvassed by, whatever, SCF?
    42
    43   MR. RAMPTON:  Why does Mr. Morris, my Lord, say 1982?
    44
    45   MR. MORRIS:  It is dated halfway down page 171.  It has Clode,
    46        Hooson, Butler and Conning (1982).
    47
    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is a different one.
    49
    50   MR. RAMPTON:  That is a different one.  The 90-day study is 
    51        Ford, Butler and Gaunt (1983). 
    52 
    53   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is the bottom one of the three under
    54        References.
    55
    56   MR. RAMPTON:  All references in this report are BIBRA
    57        references.  Dr. Millstone, before this report was
    58        published in 1984, in March or shortly thereafter, none of
    59        those BIBRA reports had been published, had they?
    60        A.  To the best of my knowledge, none of these BIBRA