Day 021 - 29 Jul 94 - Page 07


     
     1        Salt, I think the evidence on that has got stronger in the
              last couple of years since this was actually published.
     2        I think the links between salt and hypertension and
              between hypertension and stroke are gradually becoming
     3        stronger.  Certainly in the British diet the amount of
              salt that we consume is much higher than is actually
     4        needed to fulfil the requirement for salt.
 
     5        With fibre, again I think the evidence is not all that
              strong, as far as fibre per se is concerned, and it may
     6        well be that benefits that come from a diet which is high
              in fibre also, at least, are due to other constituents
     7        that are present in the foods that have a high fibre
              content in them.  But, again, in relation to advice to an
     8        individual in changing the diet, it is important to
              understand that food is only one of the factors that is
     9        involved in this.
 
    10        We also need to consider in relation to heart disease the
              question of whether or not a person smokes, the amount of
    11        exercise they take and, arguably, the amount of stress
              they are subjected to.  So that the diet has got to be
    12        seen in the broader context of lifestyle.
 
    13   Q.   Go to the DRVs:  You did not mention cholesterol; do you
              have any general points on cholesterol?
    14        A.  Cholesterol is rather different because there has been
              greater emphasis on reducing cholesterol in the diet in
    15        America than there has in Britain, and the reason for that
              is that when this question, when this issue first arose
    16        there was a fairly widespread belief that dietary
              cholesterol has a major influence upon the level of
    17        cholesterol in the blood.
 
    18        Subsequently, it has been found this is not
              necessarily true, although there may be certain
    19        individuals where dietary cholesterol has a major
              influence on the blood cholesterol.  As far as making
    20        recommendations to the population as a whole, the view is
              taken in Britain -- again I would tend to go along with
    21        this -- that dietary cholesterol is not something that
              should be given a high priority, although we have to bear
    22        in mind that the major sources of dietary cholesterol are
              also important sources of saturated fat.  So, if we
    23        actually reduce saturated fat the chances are, ipso facto,
              we will also reduce the amount of cholesterol in the diet.
    24
         Q.   The DRVs, the dietary reference values?
    25        A.  Yes, again I should perhaps -----
  
    26   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Just listen. 
  
    27   MR. MORRIS:  I get confused.  I do not really want to go
              heavily into the EARs, the RNIs and the DRVs because we
    28        will be here all day, but the recommendations, yes, what
              is your advice to McDonald's about the recommendations in
    29        general, before we go into the specifics, which you base,
              for example, your chart on?
    30        A.  Which chart is this?
 

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