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     1        important feature is to make sure the birds do not get
              over fat in terms of minimising mortality.  So although
     2        quite often companies have a schedule by which to achieve
              that, there may be some manipulation by -- adjustment,
     3        sorry, that is the right word, adjustment.
 
     4   Q.   Can you tell us a bit about the degree of food
              restriction, how hungry they get?
     5        A.  The usual system is that the males have a separate
              type of feeder to the females.  Your question would be
     6        best addressed to Dr. Pattison in terms of what the
              reduction in consumption is relative to that which they
     7        would eat if offered food to appetite.
 
     8   Q.   Right.
              A.  But, as my understanding is, the usual system is to
     9        restrict to about 80 per cent of appetite.  But I am open
              to correction as to what that might be in the case of Sun
    10        Valley.
 
    11   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Is there any science on whether they feel
              hungry or uncomfortably hungry based in human terms or
    12        not?
              A.  One can make an informed guess as to whether they are
    13        hungry.  I think this is highly likely.  They spend a lot
              of their time foraging, looking for feed.  One example
    14        where that occurs is if aggression occurs in these flocks
              (which it can do) the way of overcoming that sometimes is
    15        to scatter feed, that is, put food on the ground.  The
              birds spend an inordinate amount of time looking for that
    16        food rather than resting.  In addition birds kept under
              these conditions, whether scatter fed or not, will consume
    17        quite large amounts of environment/index.html">litter, so they would be eating
              wood shavings.  So one assumes they are hungry.
    18
         MS. STEEL:   Is it fair to say that the broiler industry is in
    19        something of a dilemma because either it restricts food
              which causes -- well, in a welfare dilemma:  Either it
    20        restricts food which could cause suffering through the
              hunger involved to the chickens or else, if they do not
    21        restrict food, there is severe fertility problems?
              A.  And mortality problems, can be mortality problems,
    22        yes.
 
    23   Q.   This dilemma is due to the genetic selection for faster
              growth and heavier weight birds?
    24        A.  Yes, and its effect on the appetite of the bird.
 
    25   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  So it is not a problem with -- I hesitate to
              use the word "free range" -- chickens just wandering 
    26        around near a farmhouse, if that still happens? 
              A.  The analogous situation, let us say, you are breeding 
    27        chicks for egg production, egg layers.  These situations
              do not exist in those breeding flocks because there the
    28        bird, in fact, has been selected against appetite, to
              improve efficiency of production.
    29
         MS. STEEL:   Why does the broiler industry use the genetic
    30        strain for fast growth and heavy weight?
              A.  For economic reasons.

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