TD's - If the activists had the same resources, would they not use them in a similar way ? (We know this is hypothetical - it's just an observation )Qx: It really depends on the organization and it's structure. For instance, we're involved in organizing drives in very hostile regions (mainly the USA) which require planning for dangerous situations. We're watched by many a labor relations management firm (i.e.; unionbusters) plus other unions (piecards) and so we have to be careful about endangering the livelihoods of workers who might just happen to chat with us.
We're a rank-and-file organization with no bureaucracy so whatever money would be spent on union drives and information propagation (hence the word propaganda) is open knowledge and easily accessible to all Wobblies. So to spend as much as McD's on advertising would be an interesting hypothetically speaking but the focus would be far different than that of McD's or even a Communist grouping (both of which are elitist heirarchies). So no, we wouldn't do the same things, simply due to the goals of the IWW.
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: TD's Actually, we only started posting here when one of us bought a PC. And HOW MANY TIMES ? We don't post on behalf of you know who.
Qx: I guess I'll have to take your word for it. After all, this is the Internet.
: TD's - Erm, excuse us for pointing this out, but you "avalanche" as much of your own propaganda here as we do !
Qx: I actually do more of it and since you addressed the IWW you should expect more than just a response from me.
TD: And our points of view are hardly likely to drown out everyone else - there's only a few of us who dare speak out !
Qx: Who are those of you? Do you identify yourself as a pro-capitalists or merely pro-McD's? By the way, this "daring to speak out" phrase indicates that perhaps you feel you are in a totalitarian society of some sort or another. Well, chilll out. You're actually just typing and if you feel censored there happens to be software glitches from time to time. I estimate that about 40% of my postings here have never materialized.
TD: OK. OK. OK. It's confession time. Ready for it ?
Qx: Sure . Go ahead and fire a salvo.
TD: The Trolley Dollies were two at the start. But only one of us owns the "means of production". Most of the time, there is only one person - me. But every now and again, we join forces and entertain ourselves with a gin and tonic each and collaborate.
Qx: Hey! Be careful about the booze will ya? Many an accident has happened at the deep fat friers.
TD: Although the majority of these posts are down to one individual, I still use the we for consistency, and of course to honour our glorious leader, gawd bless 'er, the Queen. (not).
Qx: Uh.....okay then...this is a collective entity we're dealing with.
TD: There is, however, a very good reason for not using my real name. Northern Ireland is a small place, and I would be too easily identified.
Qx: I really can't see any of the major factions in that there neck of the woods being out to get you but then again, I'm not a local yokel of Ulster.
TD: I'm sure you can appreciate that Qx. But how am I to post in future ?: As the Trolley Dolly ? All suggestions considered.
Qx: It's understandable. You seem to be somewhat critical of McD'sso anonymity could be very preferential. After all, I do it myself so who am I to tell someone else to quit using a nom-de-guerre? Trolley Dolly is easily identifiable so why not use it?
TD: Now hopefully you will realise that the opinions here are not from some McDonald's PR person (like that twat Fellini, if he is for real) Is it now possible for you to put your suspicions of us away and debate with us (I can't get used to speaking in the singular ) on a level ? I'd appreciate it.
Qx: As I typed earlier on in this posting. Go ahead and fire a salvo. I'm not the only one here you know. Besides, I'm out of town a lot and working in remote areas constantly so I can't be here all the time.
: TD's: We have our own prblems with McDonald's, but it's different when you work for a franchisee.
Qx: Please tell us about the differences. Joey Stalin and Bengt have talked about some things along those lines but it would be helpful to throw some light on the subject.
: TD I think it will take a lot more than time. People like being consumers. It's all they've known. They've grown up with it. How are you going to replace it ? I'm not saying it's right, but it's the way it is !
Qx: Ok. You're probably right about this being more than time. Education can go a long ways too. Not the education of mass corporate media but from other sources as well. Type out consumerism on any search engine and I'm sure you'll find quite a few sources to draw from.
