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In Reply to: Actually, you don't have the Constitutional right to bear arms. posted by septimus on October 14, 1999 at 16:35:05:

: Actually, you don't have the Constitutional right to bear arms. No Federal court has ever upheld this as a right. Look it up.
: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you. Of course, it doesn't mean that they are either.
: Sheesh. You crazy Americans...

We had a debate on this board which went on to guns if your in the mood for a perusal. it even included a lengthy dissection of the wording of the second Amendment!

By the way, I understand guns were banned in Australia a year ago and have read reports, based on a full 12 months of data: Australia-wide, homicides up 3.2 percent. Australia-wide, assaults up 8.6 percent. Australia-wide, armed-robberies up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent.) In the state of Victoria, homicides-with-firearms are up 300 percent. (Up until tthis point, figures for the previous 25 years had shown a steady decrease in homicides with firearms, as well as armed robberies)

: Although at the time of the "victim disarmament" order, the Aussie prime minister decreed "Self-defense is not a reason for owning a firearm," there has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, now left with no means to protect themselves. (One wonders whether the prime minister's personal bodyguards gave up their military-style weapons.) The report says: "Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain how no improvement in 'safety' has been observed after such monumental effort and expense to successfully 'rid society of guns.'"

What do you reckon? Bad luck?

(I was told about this and got a link, the report is available as "Surprise, Surprise" in the "Archive News" section of the web sight http://www.nralive.com)

Follow Ups:

• Trust me, I'm from the G'mint, and I'm here to help you. Frenchy October 15 1999 (0)
• By the way septimus Aus. October 15 1999 (3)
  • btw2 Gee si October 15 1999 (1)
    • Is there something you're not telling us? septimus Aus. October 16 1999 (0)
  • being sneaky Gee si October 15 1999 (0)
• The population is quite small and we have a fairly low crime rate to begin with. septimus Aus. October 15 1999 (10)
  • Handguns have been heavily restricted for years. DonS USA October 15 1999 (4)
    • Africa Nikhil Jaikumar DSA MA, USA October 18 1999 (3)
      • It is, in fact, quite easy to kill DonS USA October 18 1999 (2)
        • Swords more dangerous than guns? septimus Aus. October 19 1999 (1)
          • In police gunfights, the average range is about 10 feet. DonS USA October 21 1999 (0)
  • Good points too Gee si October 15 1999 (4)
    • If we're going to talk anecdotes septimus Aus. October 16 1999 (2)
      • the goal of the criminal is not to get into a gunfight where he might get hurt. DonS USA October 18 1999 (0)
      • a bit more Gee si October 18 1999 (0)
    • Homicides had been dropping for years before the ban. DonS USA October 15 1999 (0)
• 'Reports' Stoller October 15 1999 (3)
  • denial Gee si October 15 1999 (2)
    • Asking Coke about Pepsi Stoller October 15 1999 (1)
      • Asking Stoller about capitalism Gee si October 18 1999 (0)