: Have you been to Cuba or China and seen the Marxist society in operation? It's pretty oppressive you know.Have you ever heard a single word on this debate board?
Marx said that communism can only arise from the capitalist mode of production. The only difference then will be that the social relations get changed. Seriously, my friend, that is the A B C of it! China and Cuba both fail the criteria! SDF has said this a zillion times!
: Utopias perform a very, very important component of any ideology, they inspire and motivate, aswell as providing a blueprint as to what would be preferable to the existing order...
We've seen a millon of them! Myself included! They have never done anything but weaken the revolutionary resolve!
Why should people go off somewhere and create a world for themselves when the world they live in is the world that they have worked so hard to create? Why retreat?---the capitalists will just come after the workers with leg irons anyway if they left.
: Besides the significance of class is shrinking of the political map.
Wrong! As capitalism moves into the final quarters of the globe and fills every nation with its insidious influence, the issue gets more and more salient.
: I like much of that crap, I dont want to live in a nation where the primary produce are cabbage or something.
Again, read Marx. Industrialization is the predicate of communist revolution!
