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a model of social organisation with individuals marginally participating

In Reply to: People are not the state posted by DonS on July 19, 1999 at 14:37:40:

: : People, citizens, individuals are the state and it's stupid therefore to talk about either "taking it over" or "tearing it down" or destroying it. It can change as peoples modes of thought, behaviour and social organisation are influenced through persuasion.

: DonS: People are not the state, and it is stupid to say that they are.

OK evidence and argument please I dont want anyone pretending to be an oracle around me. You've remarked, something which is purely your opinion, and then implied I am stupid because I disagree with you, that angers me an I will treat it as an insult Napolean, however the rationality behind my thinking is this:

The state as we know it and as it has been throughout history is a model of social organisation with individuals marginally participating in this organisation when they arent excluded EG dictatorship.

There has never been full participation in representative (marginal)democracies never mind actual (participative) democracies, if their had been the majority in any society would find themselves wanting for nothing.

Fundamentally this is the argument people organised in a fashion = state the only places lacking a state are deserted islands etc.

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