: SDF: Others supply you with the things you need to liveTo demand the things I need to live at the point of a gun is to make that person my slave. To offer something in return is to associate as equals. That is the freedom to which I refer.
SDF: Go back and read Bloch: RD was referring to your utopian vision as "abstract" meaning in Bloch's terms UNATTAINABLE. RD, your thoughts? Perhaps you've read Bloch more carefully than I...
We may have a mild agreement here. I think it would take several generations at least for sufficient people to cease looking upon others as they look upon a beast of burden - to supply their needs at their command. A quicker, and more dramatic option, would be for the producers of the world (which is a lot!) to simply stop and say "no". They wont (western societies seem to make sure people keep enough so as not to get that pissed off), but doinf so would prove upon whom those making demands are utterly dependant.
