: : I'm sure you're a great champion of working people and their sensible natures. Except when they decide to strike... : What did I say in that post, or anywhere on this forum that would indicate I am against unions or striking? I beleave that in any job where conditions are bad and pay is low it is the peoples right and duty to strike. I view unions as a part of capitalism-- the way people can collectively bargain for fair treatment in an instances companies get away treating employees in a sub-human way. In america this has not happened since industrial revolution days liken unto those in Marx's times whos no longer apply to the world today, and are obsolete.
Well, if you look closer you may see the brutal treatment of agricultural workers and many other so-called "unskilled laborers".
In my vision a pure capitalism, government regulation of all business would be done away with,
Then there would be more carcasses to choose from. I like your idea of wealth distribution.
including the business done between a company and its employees. A union, like capitalism is self-regulationg free entity; If a union becomes totally out of whack, its members are not obligated to cooperate with it (although many times they will anyways.)
: Unions probably opened up the modern age of capitalism we now know.
Are you sure you haven't confused this observation with an anthropological study presented in some textbook somewhere?
By generally raising wages, unions created a kind of super capitalism, with more wealth changing hands quickly, and more technology developing faster.
I thought you felt that unfettered capitalism created the conditions for the creation of available high technology. This is a nice change.
As enviro-socialists like to point out America consumes a disproportional amount of reasources. This is no coincidence, because of the higher wages, everybody can afford more, which creates even higher wages-- even the poorer americans have obscene wages when compared overseas. All of this is not due to "exporting hunger" or anything else socialists say, its because of feirce capitalism. By raising the world to our level of reasource consumption it would solve every economical problem plauging Earth.
It would plague Earth with more heaps of toxic waste than now.Look at how China's catching up to the Western, industrialized countries.
: Many might think it would be a bad thing to raise reasource consumption, but it regulates itself due to supply and demand.
Yes and Mother Nature drops dung heaps of crude oil, precious metals and other non-renewable resources at a fine clipped pace at startegic locations throughout the planet.
Beleave me; the last few million gallons of oil will not be refined down to $1.25 gasoline, alternative energy will mean instant wealth to whoever first discovers it, and the companies of the world will hunt for renewable sources the right way: Not by governmental order, but by the innovation and low prices that only capitalism can produce.
The slag heaps beckon for your rummaging pleasure.By then window shopping will be seen as a primitive ritual relegated to another day and time.
: But judging by non-US poverty I'd say there is a long way to go, but unlike most in this forum I know exactally how to get there-- not just vague utopiaisms or concocted anecdote. We must promote free capitalism and unions. I'm sure many capitalists would disagree with me on the former but its the only way to quickly raise the world to our level. Whats the best way to humble Nike, the company that socialists whine about when speaking of world poverty? A strike.
Good. Now you see things from our perspective. You're cordially invited to walk the line and feel the smooth caresses of Indonesian police rifle butts.But be sure to get some good medical insurance first.Enquire as too whether or not thay cover foreign "disturbances".
As thes individuals working for nike would get more wealth, there would also be more to spend, which would raise their whole economy. Should enough wages rise, a US-style hyper capitalism may kick in overseas as well. In fact, this would also even the field for companies that happen to be patriotic and hire american. In a world of freer trade and capitalism we must raise the Earth to our standards, not the other way around.
Hmmm...let's see..Nike ships some of their stuff from a Nike plant in Bangladesh to a Nike plant in Indonesia.This qualifies as international trade but is in reality an internal product transfer.
: Many fellow capitalists might disagree-- yes at first it would raise the prices on products here, and it would spearhead a socialist anti-corprate message, but it would create a world where everybody could live without being hungry, or overly poor WITHOUT GOVERNMENT INTRUSION. Capitalism working in this way is probably beyond your liberal imaginations, but not mine.
What GOVERNMENT INTRUSION so you envision as a bogeyman? Surely not corporate government!
: I have never in my life been a union worker, and, although approving of them, I don't agree with many of the frivolious strikes they have done in america in the last 30 or so years.
Who brought you the eight hour work day? General Motors?
They are just asserting thier freedom; thats something that we can't have ito much of. While unions in america are out of date, and corrupt the rest of the world direly needs them. Capitalism worldwide!!
If unions are out of date then the vultures must be flying towards
distant shores due to downsizing of scavengers' rights here.
: : ...Working is voluntary? Maybe for those with inherited wealth. The rest of us have to eat. You'd know this if you'd bother to talk to workers.
: Working at any particualar place is. Boy, you sure know how to read things out of context.
Hmmm...let's see. My illustrious apprenticeship as a farmhand in TDC was "voluntary" work for the benefit of Texas agriculture. So much for out of context.
: : ...Coerced to give, therefore unable to afford that second Cadillac. What a nightmare. How much better to have a system that rewards those who wish to wield power over the less fortunate. No coercion there.
: MIND OF FUTURE EVIL BUSINESSMAN (according to Ted): "Gee, I feel like yeilding power over the less fortunate. I guess I'll do that, no need to hire anyone or have anybody buy my products or services... just open up the doors and start yeilding power. I can't wait to get my two-Caddilac 'reward' for my evils deads!"
: (or maybe I'm taking things a little out of context, huh Ted?)
Yielding power to the less fortunate?Is that what you were implying through that foggy haze of spelling errors and free market rhetoric?Maybe you have seen the light.Congratulations, Mike.
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: P.S. Sorry for using Rush Limbauhs "pet phrase"; its either listening to him or country music during lunch. Of coarse in any case I would just be using my radio to escape the horrors of Capitalism, right?
Wrong. The airwaves were pretty much bought up by large corporations some time back. You may speculate on that but it can be confirmed with some diligent research. However,I just won't point out the Anthropolgy Department at your local college or university.
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