- Capitalism and Alternatives -

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Posted by: Red Deathy ( Socialist Party, UK ) on February 23, 1999 at 14:41:55:

In Reply to: So workers shouldn't be concerned about taxes, eh? posted by Winslow Wacker on February 23, 1999 at 11:27:14:

Well for one thing, tax is a reformist issue, as far as I akm concerned workers should be joining teh struggle to abolish private propertya nd money, rather than splitting hairs over 1% on income tax...

: How anyone could still be pushing the line that workers shouldn't be concerned about taxes, I don't know. SV is a highly abstract concept - taxation is not. 1. We don't see it - unlike the money taken from our wages.

But as I pointed out, the money isn't taken from your wages, your wages are the after-tax amount, if Taxes didn't exist, our wages wouldn't be any higher...

2. Many workers are consumers of SV and perhaps only a minority produce it

Not so, most workers are involved in SV production, and most of the rest in regulating it.

3. As Marx pointed out, in any industrial society, workers would not receive their total product, an amount would have to be deducted for social services, expansion etc.

Where, Last I knew he was advocating the abolition of money and the socialisation of all produce, from which the members of society could draw freely.

: We are against taxation because 40-50% of our wages are eaten up by it, and anyone who has been in the workforce for any length of time remembers when it was a lot less.

Dunno about Yank side, but tax here runs at about 35%, and has done so since the sixties, the tories cut income tax, but VAT maintained the level of overall taxation.

:In fact, there are many people alive who can remember when NO workers paid income tax and sales-tax was non-existent.

I refer the honourable gentleman to the article I cited in my original post.

: Rather than arrogantly proclaiming "The Truth", to the great unwashed, listen to us instead! One might also add that the "workers shouldn't be concerned about taxes" line also nicely dovetails with the liberal left's apologies for state capitalism. A great number of working people are angry and searching for answers. A realistic politics would build on this sentiment rather than pour cold water on it.
No, our realistic politics is to say- to buggery with taxation, reformism or any solution under capitalism, only the abolition of the wgaes system will work. And last I checked I was one of the great unwashed too, so I had best listen to myself....




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